Impending Doom!!!
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...ccine.amp.html

I don’t know about you all but “impending doom” is something I would reserve for the apocalypse. While I am a believer in mask wearing, and doing our best to slow the spread, this is an over the top statement.

Especially since the most recent iFR estimate is 0.15% globally. 99.85% of people survive COVID-19.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13554

It's a shame the government is so destructive, and that scientists, "experts" and Medical Doctors don't use science at all.

The CDC director is just a window licker that doesn’t have a clue.

I'm glad these hand-wringers make these outrageous predictions. I think it helps people who are on the fence see right through them and their agenda!

I like to believe this type of rhetoric is great for the long term health of the country. The more of this stuff gets published, the more people will realize how awful, evil, and biased the bulk of the media has become - because that's how they make money.

Unfortunately, when their doom never comes to pass, they aren't required to eat any crow. They just move on to the next outrage and pretend they never wrote any of the previous nonsense.

Because something something science, something something Fauci, something something.

Duh.

From what I've seen and this article similarly shows; 3 - 4 times the positive cases are the estimated cases. So like the article says, we’re at about 120 million USA citizens had covid already. With 50 million fully vaccinated, and counting overlap, probably a safe estimate would be like 150 million? I can’t find the data that shows how many vaccinated had never tested for covid prior.
Either way, we’re at like 45% immunity. But that’s not given the context of location. Places like NY or LA got to have much more immunity than rural, wealthy, or isolated places that hardly saw any covid cases.

They say we need as much as 90% immunity but what makes more sense is where the immunized lived. People in cities where mixing occurs is where we need that immunity, and I think we’re very close to that happening.

I see what you are saying, but I think it is higher. We are a nation of 330 million people with 31 million confirmed positive cases. So say 10% confirmed positive,. The article says that the experts estimate that over the entirety of the pandemic, five times more people have been infected than have been reported - in this article. There are other "experts" out there that estimate higher numbers. But that does mean at least 155 million cases already by my math, about half the population without counting vaccinations.

Of those getting vaccinations, none of the deaths would fit in that category (550K), plus another 50 million fully vaccinated people and another 100 million people that have gotten at least one dose. If there is zero overlap, that would mean that 155 million cases plus 150 million partially/fully vaccinated people = over 300 million with immunity in a nation of 330 million.

How much overlap is there? Hard to say, but logically I still don't really see how we are not already there. Even worse case scenario I would assume well over 50% have immunity, either natural or vaccine conferred.

I'm not all that familiar with the medical field. I have however spent a good bit of time in and around the federal government. I look at "Dr" Walensky's bio, and I see someone who graduated med school, spent a handful of years practicing medicine, and then progressed into several management roles, became a professor, then went into government.

Very accomplished, for sure. But I regard her as a federal bureaucrat much more than a Doctor. She's doing what bureaucrats do, she's spouting whatever message keeps her and her organization relevant (and funded). It's not malicious, it's just the nature of the beast. If Dr. Walensky was in charge, we'd be wearing masks and social distancing until the end of time.

Haven't got a whole lot of faith in the current administration to see the difference between Doctor and bureaucrat. Glad to see some of the Statehouses do.

Kind of like 12 years to fix our planet? Hello, AOC, glad to meet you.

Ah it’s good to see the fear porn machine is still in business..

https://i.ibb.co/1XwkDvW/CCB58251-9-...0-B3-F2152.jpg

The apocalypse...

Versus


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Doing pretty damn well...

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This pandemic hasn’t even stopped the increase...

The world ended today. Film at 11.

Just shut up and do what they tell us. They're trying to save us from ourselves. How dare you question the motives of the people who decided they're arbitrarily in charge of us with constantly changing rules and goalposts?

Speaking of doom, this guy (Dr. Michael Osterholm), I assume, is insane:

https://thehill.com/changing-america...-virus-monster

Specifically, from October:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/09/healt...day/index.html

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...ain-in-florida

It never happened. Not only did it not happen, but California, the state with the most restrictions was the place with the uncontrollable surge.

Osterholm is considered an "expert", just like Fauci. It is shocking the media let's these inaccurate bureaucrats get away with this stuff. It shocks me how badly emotion and political agenda is disguised as science. The sheep don't even understand what science is, and the more political someone is the less it seems they can identity what legitimate science looks like.

Fauci is no different. From his early February prediction, Texas and Florida were supposed to be in a "Spring Break surge" right now. It hasn't happened. The surge is once again occurring in states that have been the most restrictive, far away from the pleasantness, happiness and openness of Spring Break.

How embarrassing for you.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/02/983742160/dr-fauci-gives-updates-on-the-state-of-the-pandemic-in-the-u-s

I don't get it - why did you post an article from April in response to an allegation about comments made in February?

You do realize that April is after February right? Scientists are allowed look at new trends and adapt their models.

Fauci is more or less the announcer at the ballgame. He tells you when the virus is in the lead. He tells you when the vaccine is making a comeback.

If you're going to complain that he's not calling the game the same way in the 7th inning as he was the 2nd, then your comprehension of the passage of time is questionable.

Fauci is an attention-seeking fraud.

Well I wasn't trying to be an a$$ but since that seems default mode for you and the rest of APC, OK. I was genuinely trying to understand your point. April is after February - I guess I am missing the brilliant point you are making that somehow Fauci's doom and gloom predictions made in February for the next few months are a testament to his genius because he revised them in April?

Sticking with baseball, when he says the virus is going to score 20 runs in the middle innings, but you get to the 8th inning and the virus has 3, your good with that? is that what you are saying? I mean, I think the point that Antipeter made was that Fauci had "predicted" a huge spike to swallow up Florida and Texas when they relaxed restrictions, and that never happened. And your response is to smugly post another recent article with him cautioning not to relax too early...bad things could happen...I don't get how that is all connected is all. Sorry, not smart enough I guess.

Flyfalcons coming in hot with the astute analysis...

As your STD nurse used to tell you..
https://www.google.com/url?q=https:/...tj2NIUqryK1pMB
Deal with it.

Everyone wants it to be clear cut. We are at risk of a 4th wave. That risk is now diminishing due to better than expected vaccine delivery.

What was said in February was true at the moment it was said. 4th wave was likely due to relaxing behavior. It is still probable, just not as severe.

These are not complicated concepts to follow. But people are foaming at the the mouth because the predictions don't pan out exactly as they should.

Another thing to consider.. The mitigation after a warning changes the trajectory. And that really sets the knuckledraggers off.

Cool. Most people are, by making their own decisions and ignoring this quack. People are traveling. Grandparents are hugging their grandchildren. Red states are opening. Life is going on.

Flyfalcons, I'm curious. We're a year+ into COVID. Do you know anyone who's died from it?

560k dead is about the number statistically that everyone in America should know a COVID fatality.

I'm thinking about starting a poll, but I want to see if the most cavalier among us (you) have seen COVID up close.

Two people in their 90's, one in their 80's and one in their 40's.

And of course, a whoooooooole lot more that got sick and recovered. Most likely including me.

I'm not sure how the continued survival of others makes the deaths of loved ones less tragic.

If some of you tried the sh*t you say on APC at a funeral, you'd be thrown out.

"I'm sorry for your loss. But cheer up. 7 billion people survived today."

To be fair, it's bad manners for me to dunk on an honest response.

I'm sorry for the loss of the 4 people you knew. I know of at least 3, 1 personally who have passed from COVID.

I think if we asked around, everyone on this forum would know someone.

I don't know anyone who has died FROM it or even WITH it. And there IS a difference.

But I know a dozen or so who have had it, including my decidedly better half. She is fully recovered and has no lingering issues despite being 62 with moderate, pre-existing COPD. Only one of the ones we know was hospitalized. She's 74 and is now fine.

I also know about a dozen physicians and health care professionals in my extended family and direct circle of friends. To a person, they agree that the virus is potentially serious for those with co-morbidities but the hysterical, anti-science reaction by the big media and big government establishment has been largely counterproductive.

You are good at redirecting. Antipeter posted something about how wrong Fauci was with his prediction, which a person in possession of all their faculties might conclude makes his future predictions less credible.

You smugly post a link to another article with a similar theme but toned down and now four months later, and ignoring his earlier doomsday predictions, and act like that somehow proves your point - again, with smug.

You get called on that (I guess? Still don’t get your point) and your response is to say “well these predictions are hard.” Yet you act like his subsequent predictions are valid and worthy of our unconditional obedience despite all this. Man you want to be right so bad I really believe you will argue anything at this point, no matter how ridiculous.

Are these predictions not hard? Is this not a 100 year event? Is this not a novel virus that we're learning about daily?

You obviously lost the argument because you didn't dare touch my point about how warnings affect outcomes.

Your expectations are so unreasonable that it's clear your objective is to discredit the CDC. Any cautionary announcement is an affront to you. And you'll be ready with the pitchforks if it strays in the slightest.

What was said in February was true at the moment it was said. [/QUOTE]

This thinking guarantees you a future in government or in sales, especially sales in Latin countries. BS artists love that explanation, “I didn’t lie, it was true when I said it, now, not so much.”.

Aren't you the one always boasting about a 29 year career in government?

A bit hypocritical doncha think?

I wonder if you hold your local weatheman to the same standard.

I can see it now.. You're calling your local station on the regular. Full of p*ss and vinegar about your spoiled fishing plans.

Get a grip, Colonel.

Here I thought my trolling was over the top but the defending Fauci schtick takes the cake. I am bested.

Fauci just predicted that COVID is likely transmitted through internet message boards (new strain). Be seein’ ya.

Uniformed side, very different but you wouldn’t know it.

They’re wrong, too, SCIENCE! I don’t fish, I dint go by rank (retired), I don’t complain to weather guys and gals. Stop making stupid comments without basis.

People generally understand that those who are in their upper 70's with major health conditions through their 90's eventually die. Losing a loved one is always sad. But the world does move on.

I don't. Because I've seen them miss the predictions so bad so many times I disregard them. Hell, the 5 day Hurricane forecast will have a path from SC to TX. It's total BS and useless. I can tell you what a hurricane going to do 6 hours out. Not very helpful. Same as this pandemic and our government.....Lol. Thanks for that analogy. It works well.