The only chance of Mad Max is if we get ADE from the vaccines.

Any credible scientist who studied Covid before the outbreak, says Covid will easily walk around the vaccines. So my question for you, is when do you give up, and live your life, wave 4, 20, 200?

I'm living my life now. I'm fully vaccinated, I mask up in public. I went to the beach yesterday.

While post-apocalyptic is hyperbole, the fact remains that a lot of people dying at once is bad for business and society.

And that will affect your family. So even after that, you're saying what the US has done is still not worth it? There's no justifying it unless one of your kids die from it?

Hey, I am terrified to drive to work because the odds of a fatal car accident are astronomical. Everyone needs to pay me to not work because of the extreme risk. PAY UP MFers!!!!

Here you go champ.
https://www.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=Remote+Work+From+Home

I wouldn’t call over a year temporary.

I don't see anything wrong with protecting the vulnerable, and allowing the rest to continue on, you will probably say that won't work, but that's the same argument for why lockdowns don't work either.

I think your sides argument is more, “I don’t care about who else might get hurt, I’m gonna chug this natty light and and then speed to hooters. Yeehaw.”

Is that what you said when your ex-wife asked for a "temporary" separation?

What in the hell are you talking about?

Sorry, the risk of carpal tunnel syndrome is also very real and dangerous. I can't risk my health for a job. You're just going to have to pay me to not work. It's the safest thing to do. In fact, the CDC said so, there's no debate.

I'm saying there is number for everyone where people who oppose lockdowns will stop, reevaluate, and reverse their positions.

And it probably is some threshold where you are personally starting to see the effects of the pandemic.

There ya go, buddy. https://dragon-speech.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI19_bnuvi7wIV9JFbCh0dqARXEAAYAiA AEgLBr_D_BwE

This is quite simple,
Quarantine the medical workers.
Distribute vitamin D to the population.
Put some of the population on Ivermectin if they want it.
Wear as many masks as you want, because reducing stress has been shown to boost the immune system.

Note, these are not cures for Covid once you get it, it only controls transmission. Mandates cause people to resist, and should not be implemented in any way.

There’s a huge error in your thinking. X mitigation does not equal 1,000,000 lives lost while 100x equals 1,000 lives lost. It isn’t that simple, which goes to the silly argument that some models, with rather questionable assumptions, predicted 2,000,000 dead, so we saved 1,500,000. The model wasn’t possibly that accurate, very small changes in assumptions lead to wide variances in death totals. Models are not science, they’re models.

This was never going to be society killing disease like the plague in the 13th century. Then, Europe lost about 50% of the population, we GREW our population in this pandemic all the while greatly reducing health expenditures because no one was going for elective care. Loss of health care expenditures equaled half of the lost GDP in 2Q2020.

Speaking a lot causes my mouth to dry out and I don't want to contribute to global warming by drinking more water than normal. Eco anxiety also causes serious cardiac issues. Sorry, you're still going to need to pay for my existence and right to be safe.

I see you're upping your troll game. Congrats.

Competition is a great motivator.

There ya go, buddy. Recycle!

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Give me a tough one.

I'm sorry, but the alkalinity of that water can't be guaranteed as I don't consume anything acidic to preserve my wellbeing. You also must take care of yourself and live forever as well as pay for everyone else so they have one less worry.

Not trolling and your condescension of my very real issues are signs of ableism rooted in white supremacy. I don't think you have any right to employment any longer.

My argument is more like “let’s not borrow 20 trillion dollars from China (money we cannot hope to ever be able to payback - how will that work out?), destroy our children’s education and put them over a year behind by closing schools for no good reason, and destroy millions of small businesses to “flatten the curve” for a year (is it flat yet?) cause we are worried about a disease that is not much worse than the flu and overwhelming affects infirm, obese, 75 year old and up people living in nursing homes that will realistically die soon anyway. YeeHaw.

Yeah man. Nothing at all to worry about.

How many of those deaths were exclusively from COVID—perfectly healthy people who suddenly died of it? How many were stable people with comorbidity that died of COVID who would have had a life expectancy greater than one year? By age group? Until you break out the detail, of course, it’s terrible.

All of them. Even perfectly healthy people died of the vaccine such as myself. We have no choice but to stay inside for the next 150 years. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Ok. Then why are total deaths insanely higher than previous years if it was all people that were going to die that year anyway?

Question more appropriate would be (and wont be known until we look back) will be the graphs for 2022/23/24 and will those lines be below the pre covid lines. Did Covid take out a significant chunk of those that sadly would have met their demise from their underlying conditions/ advanced age in the next few years. Just food for thought.

Somewhere we have to accept life has risks. H1N1, Zika, SARS, people meowing on guard might just be unavoidable no matter what. In fact maybe we should always err on the side of safety. No more risk anywhere. Stay inside at all times or we're all doomed!!

So do you predict half a million fewer than average deaths next year?

Nope that’s not what I said, just posing an interesting question. I wonder if the average amounts of deaths from all causes might be less than average for the next handful of years because of the massive death in 2020 of elderly and or people with multiple preexisting conditions. To your point yes covid also took out many that were to live much longer lives so of course I wouldn’t pick up what u just threw down with that 500,000 number above! Just food for thought.

I’ve said this many times now and no one has the guts to respond. I work for a very large life insurance company. In 2020 they did pay out a lot of COVID death claims, but when you compare past years they are paying out a normal amount of death claims. Literally the only difference is what column the cause of death goes into.

So.....all of those other people just didn’t die and there wasn’t greater than average mortality last year?

I trust cdc total deaths more than “I work in life insurance”

Insurance companies are pretty good at making money. Trust whatever makes your heart feel good, I’m just stating facts.

So let me get this straight...

One of the biggest trolls of this website is suddenly serious and is asking us to take his word that an unnamed insurance company, of which he has observed anedotal data, hasn't seen a rise in death claims in 2020.

Is that what I'm seeing? Because if so...

HAHHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!

Okay. I got that out of my system. There are 100 reasons this could be false, namely the kind of people who can afford term life insurance aren't the ones dying from COVID.

In any case, I'll believe the CDC numbers over anonymous internet trolls. Sorry.

Funny coming from the one that can only last a couple months before you get banned and come back under a new username, but I am the troll. Thanks for the laugh! You would think all life insurance companies would be taking it in the shorts, but they aren’t. A lot of them are publicly traded companies with the data out there, but you do you.

So you are saying there are zero excess deaths? No more than any other year at all?

The CDC figures are for one year, insurance companies and any other long-term analysis looks at many years. We haven’t had a pandemic in a century, average out these pandemic deaths over 100 years and it’s not even blip. Yes, 500,000 excess deaths THIS year. As Keynes said, in the long term, we’re all dead. Fearmongers unite.

Nope, just a normal year for us and many other life insurance companies. In fact, every employee got a pay raise this year.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

He’s right though about the trolling.

Trolling about?