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Old 04-02-2021, 04:49 PM   #1  
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Default 2020 Suicides Lower Despite Warnings

2,600 less than 2019 numbers.

I guess all that fear mongering about lockdowns was just nonsense. I guess we'll just add that to the list of things that you were wrong about.

https://www.newsweek.com/suicides-fell-2600-2020-despite-donald-trumps-lockdown-warnings-1580585
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Your lack of empathy for the damage lock downs have done is abhorrent. You are a disgusting, dishonest human being.

If you or Newsweek had actually read the science:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234?guestAccessKey=0b94e087-4b87-458d-b869-a1aa164eb8a6&utm_source=silverchair&utm_medium=ema il&utm_campaign=article_alert-jama&utm_content=olf&utm_term=033121


Increases in other leading causes, especially heart disease, Alzheimer disease, and diabetes, may also reflect disruptions in health care that hampered early detection and disease management. Increases in unintentional injury deaths in 2020 were largely driven by drug overdose deaths. Final mortality data will help determine the effect of the pandemic on concurrent trends in drug overdose deaths.
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Solid pivot. But the topic was Suicides.
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Old 04-02-2021, 05:38 PM   #4  
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2,600 less than 2019 numbers.

I guess all that fear mongering about lockdowns was just nonsense. I guess we'll just add that to the list of things that you were wrong about.

https://www.newsweek.com/suicides-fell-2600-2020-despite-donald-trumps-lockdown-warnings-1580585
Thatís cute, sweetheart. Now do depression, domestic violence, and unemployment.

You are literally too stupid to insult, I believe.
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Solid pivot. But the topic was Suicides.
Well, a lot of people's lives haven't been ruined yet. We haven't seen the full fallout from this. Do you think the suicides in Jan-April or Mayish of 2020 had anything to do with covid other than a small percentage? Lockdowns didn't begin in force last year until the very end of March. The federal govt is also propping up a lot of people that would otherwise be in big, big trouble.

That same article also mentions an increase of 17,000 drug overdose deaths. 17,000 more and thats only counting until August. The average is usually around 70,000. This is a 24% increase. Is 24% a small number or nah? "If it saves even one life"......................................Right?
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If youíd like to read some raw data (you wonít), hereís a solid report.

https://mhanational.org/sites/default/files/Spotlight%202021%20-%20COVID-19%20and%20Mental%20Health.pdf

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The number of people looking for help with anxiety and depression has skyrocketed. From January to September 2020, 315,220 people took the anxiety screen, a 93 percent increase over the 2019 total number of anxiety screens. 534,784 people took the depression screen, a 62 percent increase over the 2019 total number of depression screens.
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More people are reporting frequent thoughts of suicide and self-harm than have ever been recorded in the MHA Screening program since its launch in 2014. Since the COVID-19 pandemic began to spread rapidly in March 2020, over 178,000 people have reported frequent suicidal ideation. 37 percent of people reported having thoughts of suicide more than half or nearly every day in September 2020.
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People screening at risk for mental health conditions are struggling most with loneliness or isolation. From April to September 2020, among people who screened with moderate to severe symptoms of anxiety or depression, 70 percent reported that one of the top three things contributing to their mental health concerns was loneliness or isolation
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Iíd be careful with this. I havenít looked into the numbers myself but itís not unusual for suicides to happen well after the trauma. There's no doubt consequential second / third order effects (many which may be difficult to measure) have occurred and will continue occurring. Itís another facet of this whole tragic situation that we, as a country, failed to mitigate.
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Iíd be careful with this. I havenít looked into the numbers myself but itís not unusual for suicides to happen well after the trauma. There's no doubt consequential second / third order effects (many which may be difficult to measure) have occurred and will continue occurring. Itís another facet of this whole tragic situation that we, as a country, failed to mitigate.
My point isn't to delve into the tragedy of the nation's suicides, but to dispel the myth that the anti lockdown crowd said with absolute certainty that there would be a spike.

Anything beyond an apples to apples comparison from 2019 and 2020 is speculation.

Who knows, maybe everyone not working 3 jobs and spending time with their kids naturally brought the rate DOWN.
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One of my LE buddies said their domestic violence and disturbance calls went through the roof as people just sat around at home and drank / did drugs. He also works in a sh!thole area so there's that.
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One of my LE buddies said their domestic violence and disturbance calls went through the roof as people just sat around at home and drank / did drugs. He also works in a sh!thole area so there's that.
I can verify this also in the city I work. I have personally had more suicides and OD the past year then we have ever encountered. I have been on more then my share of COVID deaths, but not a single one would be described as ďunexpectedĒ. They have all been very obese, elderly with multiple comorbidities. but the real travesty is how many young and healthy have been cutdown by, drugs, violence and suicides during this lockdown.

Not to even discus the deaths I have encountered that would have been preventable if people would have gone to the hospital when their symptoms first appeared. Instead the media has them scared of COVID and going to the hospital while they are actively having a heart attack . I donít need charts and graphs to tell me what I see and live everyday.

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