We are basically .....kind of sort of....
 

Federal Contractors. Thus fall under Federal control? Huh? How much of our "business" falls under this?

School me please!

Enough to not pay you industry standard to get vaccinated.

Use your sick time, no support you’re on your own.

The answer to everything is: cost


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Somehow even being the bottom barrel line holder in March (and now back on reserve), I was able to use two stretches of 3-days off to get the shot on day 1, and chill out for day 2 and 3. No sick time had to be used. Anyway, vaccine mandates are coming at all major and regional airlines here. It was only a matter of time.

That’s cool. Gold star for you! Sadly that’s all you’ll get.

It’s sadly, a lot different than you’re peers at real majors.

Pro tip: you might want to pay attention to what United or SWA did to support their pilots in getting the vaccination. The information is available in great detail and (gasp) it doesn’t involve living in Gig Harbor.


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Just FYI so you know what others are offering.....

Delta was either 5:15 (ADG) for each shot if on day off, or drop trip due to touching shot three day footprint.

If you gave 96hrs notice, not even counted as sick leave, just free "shot pay". Less than 96hrs, company used your sick leave to cover.

For moi, 2shots = 55hrs pay (and opened the schedule up to pick up additional GS flying as long as it didn't conflict with the three day shot waiting period to fly) which there was a lot of as others were dropping trips to get the stick.

IMO, this is the kind of info ALPA should be disseminating so that when one group gets/negotiates a good deal, the rest could ride along piggyback. That's one of the points of a union after all.

Yeah but you don’t live in Gig Harbor!!!!


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true...I did for the first two decades of my life, but got married to a woman from Kent (back when women existed in Seattle) and she didn't enjoy the overcast, cold/rain any longer.

Is Alaska not offering any incentive for pilots to get vaccinated? No LOA or anything that covers this?

Apparently there was a chance to win prizes including Kraken tickets that pilots likely wouldn’t get time off for…

Maybe they’d let you sell the tickets on Craigslist?


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AA has a pretty decent thing going too. 5:15 to get the shot plus 3 days off for each shot. Pay protected. Also APA pilots participate in the company-wide incentive program (extra vacation day in 2022 or 3:40 of pay). I selected the pay. So 6 extra days off in the month and an extra 8:55 of pay for me personally. And yes, if you got the shot before the LOA and had to call off sick, you got reimbursed plus the 5:15.

first prize is $200
second prize is a set of steak knives.
third prize is you’re fired.

Soooooo.....what about us peeps who have immunity already from getting Covid? Dont really care about the $$$ incentives.....I kind of really care about the Union AND Company caving to top down Government control of Health decisions........specifically with a virus that is 99% survivable. I like my chances given that getting the Vaccine WILL NOT keep me from getting or passing Covid. WTF is going on here. New studies have shown that natural immunity is stronger than the vaccine. Why haven't we heard anything about this? Who's misinformation do we trust? lol

Third prize


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That's some deep insight there.

So far the only way to show your allegiance to the Borg is to get the vaccine, or maybe wear two masks......that is all the powers to be are recognizing so far.

In my case, hadn't caught the vid yet and surely didn't want to catch and show symptoms while in a foreign country, I generally try to stay out of foreign medical systems.

You'd think after so many people, especially coworkers we know, have died from COVID that people would stop using these tired talking points. But nope.

Even if COVID doesn't kill you, there's a good chance that it could kick your ass.

I agree it's tragic that some people have died of Covid. My heart is with their families.


Having said that....that is not what position I am in. I've had Covid. I survived. I have antibodies. Those antibodies are reportedly equal to or better than getting the Vaccine. Why do I need the Vaccine? Why hasn't this been addressed by the company (kind of) or the Union (not directly)?


These aren't talking points.......Covid is 99% survivable. Even more so for younger healthier individuals. That survivability % is of the known cases of Covid.....and its estimated that Cases are underestimated because people who have had it never got sick. Weird virus eh?


Again, this is not to downplay those who have died. My heart feels for anyone who hasn't made it!

What's your source for this? And can you also go ahead and cite a source for how long your natural immunity is good for versus how long your immunity from a vaccine would be good for?

How bout you cite a source for how long your vaccine immunity is. Here’s what I can tell you and I’ve provided my testing to the Union.

I was exposed by flying with a captain diagnosed with Covid. Even though I exhibited no symptoms, a week after the exposure, I got a PCR test. Came back positive. Then a week later I got a quantitative antibody test from Abbot labs. On a scale of <.8 U/ml (virtually zero antibodies) to 2500 U/ml my score was >2500 U/ml. On one Covid message board that was equal to or more than two doses of Moderna. I have Zero problem getting an antibody test every three months or so.

Israel pre print studies showing natural immunity 13x stronger and lasting longer. With strongest protection being natural immunity plus 1 shot.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-variant-what-kind-of-immunity-offers-the-highest-protection#Natural-immunity-and-one-vaccination-may-offer-best-protection

Bending over and taking it from the company again, you really are something else.. woohoo look at me I used my few days off that are inflexible to get the vaccine and still was right back to work because I’m a great little company boy. Our peers are making a ton of money off this and you’re happy you didn’t have to use any sick time here. Grow a spine

So now that we're an extension of the federal government, can the FAs who got fired for uttering constitutionally protected speech sue the company?

*Sigh*

I'm reminded many times I am so lucky to live in a first world country and this is yet another example of it. This complaint is a first world problem. I can't believe (actually I can) that we live in a country that is in a position to DEMAND getting paid to take a vaccine to protect their own life + life of their loved ones during a global pandemic that has killed 4+ million reported (and many more unreported in third world countries). Back in March when I took the vax, I didn't bend over and take anything from the company. Nor did I do it to be some company boy. I did it to protect myself, my immediate family, my parents, extended family and the inlaws. Parents+inlaws are older and they are in the potential risk category.

The country I was born in is 1/12 the size of the US but a population that is 70% of the US. People there live in extended families, small homes, and people live on top of each other with how closely it's spaced. They don't have the vaccine availability like we do here. They are getting the Chinese vaccine flown in and that is something like 50-60% efficacy, but it has not gotten into the arms of a large amount of people needed for herd immunity. There are many people there who would take the vaccine but do not have the chance/ability to do so (that said, many also who don't want any vaccine). This story is no different for dozens of third world countries throughout the world.

And while this may ruffle feathers, I don't see myself in any position to complain about not getting 4 grand to take the vaccine that is designed to save myself, my loved ones, and to exit the pandemic. "Our peers making a ton of money off this" is quite frankly an insult to the rest of the world. That we are demanding to be paid thousands to take a vaccine while the rest of the world doesn't have enough vaccines (and can't take it even though they want it) is the pinnacle of first world country problems. I already talked to a union rep and told him that I do not see eye to eye on this subject. I can't wait until we get a vaccine mandate. About time. Getting a bit tired of Covid exposure phone calls. I'm not willing to get my BP raised on a subject like vaccine payout because I'm not losing any sleep if I don't get 3 or 4 grand for taking the vaccine. You and I will never see eye to eye on this subject and that's fine.

They aren’t paying you for getting the shot. They are paying you for a piece of your private medical record. It has value to your company for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately, union groups that failed to negotiate a deal prior to the presidential mandate have lost almost all leverage to do so. Life can be hard in third world countries (for a long list of reasons), that’s why all of us choose to live here and not there. Hopefully, your family overseas will gain access to an effective vaccine sooner rather than later.

We aren’t demanding to be paid for vaccinations we are pointing out how we are not treated like our peers in the same profession, with the same amount of responsibility.


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You're looking up to Delta. He's looking down to Pakistan. It's all a matter of perspective. Neither is wrong.

I would rather be looking upwards and dissatisfied, but that's just me.

That's one way to look at it. You missed the point though. I was talking about the principle of the matter, expecting compensation for taking a vaccine that protects yourself, your loved ones, and an effective way out of the worse pandemic since the 1918 Spanish Flu.

Sigh. You’re super effective at straw man arguments. I’m vaccinated. For all the reasons you’re saying it is a good thing.

I’m not saying anyone shouldn’t be vaccinated. Nothing to do with it.

The point is around telling Alaska management about it. They refused to support us. DM came right out and said we should use our sick time and we would not be supported in any way. So I’m not going to support them by helping them in the form of offering up my medical history voluntarily.

Your sob story about life in Pakistan is duly noted. However it has absolutely zero about the pilot group at AS or our willingness to voluntarily offer up our medical history. Our peers at other airlines were offered an incentive (pay and time off) to voluntarily disclose their medical history. That is what I would expect as a pilot with equal responsibility who flies the same equipment.

This is what I expect but sadly because of pilots like you who grasp at straws to please managers, we will likely get nothing in return for disclosing our medical history. These managers hate pilots. They despise us. Why do you grasp a straws to please them?


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But you would if you got Delta / United covid pay?


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So now we're simply arguing how much $$$.


I guess it's a difference in opinion. It's a vaccine. It's no different than applying to Delta and then having to tell them whether or not you have the Yellow Fever vaccine. If you consider that having to disclose your medical history, :shrug: The Covid card shows nothing about you or your personal medical history except that you got your Covid jab and what date(s).


I dunno. I look at 15.E which leads to 15.C and I would never want that.

No. Im not asking for extra pay. I’m asking to be supported. Like my peers at SWA, UAL and DAL et al. I don’t want to use my benefit, sick time to get something on my days off or have a loss of income to help the company out.

Also I already work here. Choosing to work at DAL means you need to show them your yellow card from the passport. It’s a requirement to apply. Again a complete straw man argument. That’s not what is happening here at AS.


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At least now I know there is two different user names. For some reason I though shyguy and new guy were the same user name.

Reading is hard I guess. I imagine one could not find two more polar opposites at AS.


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If you were working for Delta and had the possibility of crewing a flight to South America and/or Africa, wouldn't you want the Yellow Fever vaccine?

From the inter webs: "Yellow fever is a disease caused by a virus that is spread through mosquito bites. Symptoms take 3–6 days to develop and include fever, chills, headache, backache, and muscle aches. About 15% of people who get yellow fever develop serious illness that can lead to bleeding, shock, organ failure, and sometimes death."

Also, if you are COVID vaccinated, why do "exposure" calls irritate you so much, aren't you protected?

Just trying to understand the logic......

Well sourced Blog if you will. Updated as more information is gathered. Linked sources throughout and at the bottom.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/09/...itive-summary/