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Second that.

No one is treading on you. If you chose to work for a company that has some federal contract work/agreements, then you are required to take the vaccine. An employer can require you to be vaccinated.

But I thought freedom meant being able to do whatever you want, whenever you want, at the expense of whomever you want?

Look familiar?

Uh huh, sure pal but yet 480,000 US Government US Postal service workers, the executive branch and Congress (who actually appropriate those said contracts) are exempt.

Explain..


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Oh and let's not forget the hundreds of thousands of unvaccinated foreigners crossing the border illegally and being airlifted to many parts of the country. That certainly justifies mandating vaccines on citizens.


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You'll break your finger pointing so hard at others.

By the way, postal workers are not exempted.

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You'll break your neck shoving your head so deep up your glory hole.

Enjoy your boosters.


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HAHAHA. You edited your post to add ... this? Like it's some deep cut. Let me put it to your simply.

I don't fear needles. You must be terrified of them.

Well I just became aware the FDA approved your booster shots so I had to add it.

But it's not about the shot ya dolt. If you got the shot, hell you had a choice.

Having that choice taken away with 0 accountability is what should concern all of us.

Many folks that I've spoken and flown with have taken the shot but are 1000% against mandates and are not getting boosters.

Clear enough for ya junior?


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Fake news. Postal service workers are not exempt. As for Congress, correct that Biden’s order doesn’t cover them. But this isn’t because of nefarious reasons. It’s simple separation of powers. Congress falls under the Legislative branch and the Executive branch cannot regulate the legislative branch. That said, all Dem Congress folks are vaxxed and some Repubs too. As of May: CNN conducted a survey of Congress members to ascertain their vaccine status. All 219 House Democrats and all 50 Democrats in the Senate told the network that they are vaccinated. But in the House, just 95 of 212 Republican House members said they were vaccinated. In the Senate, 46 of 50 Republican senators said they were vaccinated, with two more reporting that they were not and the final two refusing to answer the question.

As for the illegals, if they hope to gain permanent residency they will be required to get the vax. One of the places the fed govt does have authority to require vax is within the legal immigration system. Eg, polio and measles vax are required for anyone to change their immigration status to a permanent legal resident of the U.S. The USCIS added Covid vax to that list beginning in October. Bottom line, any migrant looking to obtain permanent residency in the U.S. will need a COVID vax.


I see you defaulted to attacking using the postal service workers, Congress, and illegals. These are all key attacking points from the likes of OAN and Newsmax. Try switching the news channel once in a while.

Perfectly clear. You're crying over nothing. You cry about your FAA medical? You cry about wearing a uniform?

Jobs have responsibilities. Responsibilities require actions, some you may not like.

If you don't fear the needle, then you have no claim whatsoever. You're just bandwagonning on this whining party. It's kind of sad.

That's what he heard on QAnon or from whoever his favorite Alpha male is this week on FB. Incredibly gullible.

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You have a choice. Everyone has a choice. No one owes you a job flying an A320 or 737. This is a job, it is not a natural/God given right. Your employer can require you to take a vaccine. Don’t want to? You don’t have to, you can always resign.

Who asked you?

Don’t like flying with coworkers who are adamant about their right to make decisions pertaining to their body and family you can quit as well. Don’t feel safe in light of the current „situation“ lock yourself in your basement.

Do us a favor and exercise your rights as well.

Don’t like flying with coworkers who are adamant about their right to make decisions pertaining to their body and family you can quit as well. Don’t feel safe in light of the current „situation“ lock yourself in your basement. But, your vaccine should keep you safe, correct?

Do everyone a favor and exercise your rights as well.

no measles vax required if you’ve had measles

also…. To be fair, lll absolutely lay this this squarely at the feet of one man. When the government contractor vaccine mandate doesn’t even have enough flex to exempt contractors who work at home and never set foot in a federal facility… then you know this ain’t got jack shizzle to do with protecting anybody but the pharmaceutical companies and their lobbyists.

id like to require a fellow cockpit occupant that blocks potential egress because they couldn’t get their a$$ through the window in an emergency because they can’t quit shoving warm Alaska cookies in their pie hole to have to lose 50-100 lbs. Where’s THAT responsibility?

I’d like to see a POTUS that can barely form a sentence and raised a meth addicted, cocaine off a hookers a$$, millionaire off selling access to his daddy son get his own damn house in order before he lectures me on HIS patience running thin. Where’s his responsibility?

I’d like to see a pharmaceutical company that is making billions off their vaccine, that was funded and paid for by taxpayer dollars not be let off the hook for ANY short or long term effects shoulder some liability. Where’s THEIR responsibility?

Id like to see the company that is enforcing the mandate so they can continue continue to suck off the government contract teat, say, “tell ya what, you get the vaccine and if their are any short or long term side effects (loss of license, death, whatever) we got your back financially”…. Where’s THEIR responsibility?

You get on here and mouth off about responsibility when literally NO one else is responsible regarding the vaccine, it’s efficacy, or any potential downside except the person getting the jab. That’s so fn rich. Feel free to call the union or the company and step up to the plate…. tell them that you believe in the vax so much that, in the event there are negative side effects (now or in the future) for any pilot that gets the vax you’ll donate half your pay to help support them financially. Then you can pontificate about responsibility.

Same goes for you ShyGuy

All I see in this post is fear, bordering on panic.

So afraid, for no good reason.

Nice retort. All I saw in your posts were arrogance and condescension but, ya didn’t answer my question. How much can we put ya down for to cover you sanctimoniously rolling the dice for someone else?

Or.
You could comply with the mandate, and now official company policy.

So tell me, how long does this insurance policy have to last? Because we're all going to die someday. Will you blame the old man who dies in 2066 on his COVID shot?

Your entire argument boils down to paranoia and deflection. It's embarrassing.

Their weight is not spread unwillingly to other people. And there’s no case history an overweight crew member impeded an exit and cost lives. Those cookies suck, way too much sugar, I take one bite and toss the rest.

As opposed to the predecessor and the issues of his kids? He appointed his own family members to high govt positions. Last year was a disaster from a Covid standpoint.

It’s a safe vaccine. There have been some very rare clot issues with JJ, but Moderna and Pfizer have done very well. What long term issue are you referring to?

The pilot contract? 50% pay to retirement. Billions of Covid doses given worldwide, but please share what catastrophic condition you see yourself coming down with? I find it ironic worrying about a vaccine long term side affect and ignoring the chances of that are way, way lower than being a Covid long hauler (which could cause you to lose your medical) or even a Covid death. And before you say your chances of having either of these two things happen, you getting messed up from the vax are much, much smaller than those chances.

See above paragraph response. You worrying about a long haul effect from the M or P vaccine, while completely ignoring the Covid long haul affect (where pilots have lost their medical) or even Covid death. But please, continue to pontificate on non-existing dangerous long term effects of the vaccine.

hey hoss…. YOU are the one that trotted out the word “responsibility”….. and since literally nobody is holding the liability (and you can’t say, cause there’s also literally no long term data) I just figured YOU would gladly shoulder that…. Hell, it’d make you a bigger man that Uncle Joe, or the government or the pharm co’s, or Alaska Airlines. How bout ten years or till retirement which ever comes first. Or… I’ll make it easy on ya… just two years. For two years, if any pilot at Alaska has an adverse effect due to a Covid vax that results in loss of license, disability, or death…. You give up half your salary to pay them or their family.

Let’s do this thing!!!

“Embarrassing” is when you talk trash about responsibility, while not holding anyone responsible other than the person you’re criticizing for making the same risk assessment YOU did and coming to a different conclusion.

If you’re not in management here, ya really really oughta look into it. That level of arrogant condescension in emails to the pilot group would be handsomely rewarded.

Okay... tell me what could happen in those magical two years, for a fraction of an ounce of liquid and mRNA that dissipates in 3 days? Do have any understanding of the mechanisms and why a two year window is necessary?

You don't. You're completely pulling it out of your *ss. It's lizard-brain panic that is driving all of this nonsense.
That is why you have my condescension. Not because I'm management. It's because you're not thinking.

Yes…. I did absolutely pull it out of my ass. It was arbitrary. So, how how bout you explain to me, why it is, that the pharmaceutical companies needed, for the first time ever, a zero liability clause? A few years ago I was struggling with a respiratory infection I just couldn’t shake. Tried all the normal prescriptions from my doctor. He says, “well, the only thing stronger we could try is cyprofloxacin, (Cipro) but, there is the possibility of some negative side effects…. some risk you need to consider if we go that route.” I REALLY wanted to be rid of it, and I’ve never had a reaction to an antibiotic, but, I went and did some research and it turns out, that IF it goes bad, it can damn near or possibly kill you, so I opted out…. Rode out the storm. It was a fully FDA approved antibiotic. That being said, they were still on the hook for lawsuits by people it did kill or nearly kill.

I have had Covid. I tested positive. I have had a quantitative antibody test with antibodies literally off the charts. That’s also “science”. But none of that matters to you, or the company, or Joe Biden…. And why the hell should it? IF now or in the future there’s an issue neither of y’all nor the drug co’s are gonna take responsibility for it. You wanna go to Vegas and put it all on Red at the roulette table? (I’m not saying the odds are the same before you go there.) Be my guest…. But now you’re like “I won!!….. it worked out for me, so let me roll the dice with YOUR money!” And I say, “um, well, I’d rather not.” And you’re like “but you MUST…. The POTUS said so!” And I say, look that’s cool, are you or POTUS gonna cover my loss if it’s Black?” And you’re like “look Dude, I know statistical probability… math… I know way more about than YOU ya dumba$$. Do you not believe in MATH? Gimme your money to put on red, or I’ll have you kicked out of the casino.”

The bottom line you can’t refute is that you’re not just taking away my personal choice, you’re doing so, WHILE being unwilling to shoulder any liability. THAT is my baseline issue. Do you not get that? Or it it just doesn’t matter? Cause clearly you’re not willing to put YOUR paycheck on the line for someone if it goes bad.

Every other word is about Joe Biden. I wonder if you'd be p*ssing and moaning as much if Trump was in charge and the mandate was ordered.

By the way, this isn't a politics forum. Oh and Trump got vaccinated. Twice.

you can bet your sweet a$$ I’d feel exactly the same if it was Trump…. In fact… I had exactly the same reaction regarding Trump’s EO regarding taking money from the military budget for the wall. The ONLY reason I keep mentioning him is cause it’s HIS EO that has brought this to bare. I don’t give a tinker’s damn WHO it is, but in this particular case it happens to be Joe Biden.

and yes… I know Trump got vaccinated. I could care less. I’m assuming that was also HIS decision (and probably a reasonably good one at his age and health condition btw).

SHY!!! There ya are!!

Same question as before buddy!!

Since Biden, the government, the pharmaceutical companies and Alaska aren’t willing to to take any responsibility for an adverse effect now or later… and since you’re so incredibly confident…. You willing to sign up for giving up half your paycheck to pay for the long term care and salary of someone that becomes disabled, loses their license or worst case dies?

would you got the shot if he says yes?

He probably will. Shy guy has a history of giving in with a smile and new admiration for his degraded conditions and QOL

It’d take a lot more than someone saying “yes” on an APC board, but philosophically yes.

wonder why they’ve tried everything under the sun to bribe folks to get it,…. Now threatening loss off livelihood for not….. but still, nobody is stepping up saying…..”Sure…. If that’s what it takes, we (the POTUS, Congress, FDA, the pharm co’s, corporations ETC) got your back… either way you’re covered.”

Some y’all are acting like we are being forced to eat carrot.

J. Biden doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to even think of trying this. Total weakling. Are you cheering on Union busting? Are you a Union member?

I respectfully disagree. People that aren’t getting the vax at this point are not doing it because of your reasoning. It became a political football, a virtue signal that you are in one camp or another.

In case you do get a debilitating adverse reaction— there is recourse against the government and depending on your employer, against your employer if it is mandated.

In the case of the government, for the EUA vaccines, it is the CICP, for approved vaccines, it is the VICP. Under normal circumstances, you don’t go directly against manufacturers anyway unless it can be shown that they somehow provided bad data to the FDA.

Loss of pensions? Like 2 decades ago? Are you even a current airline pilot?

Yikes, I wish my fellow Alaska pilots spent this much effort in voting in ALPA elections and supporting our pilot group and MEC in getting a industry standard contract. Our lack of scope, quality life issues, and sub standard benefits are going to be a greater risk to your life expectancy and your wallet than the COVID vaccine.

You're wasting your time.