Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3324052)
How many people do we have living with HIV in this country alone? And in some poorly immunized African countries they have over 20% of the population living with HIV.
https://i.ibb.co/hx5vz9f/7-B2-C476-A...A6-C9-D4-F.jpg How many with solid organ transplants? On chemo or radiotherapy? On high dose corticosteroids for other reasons? There will be AMPLE opportunities for mutation. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3324030)
Yes, but variants don't start emerging from a person until several months into infection, these are very rare infections only in certain types of people.
From the head of Covid variant research at the NIH. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EF_pLZ_y5A |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3324077)
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say, in generalities. Not sure that I buy that there's absolutely zero opportunity for variants out of "typical" covid infections but severity clearly matters a lot.
The coronavirus has proofreading to prevent replication diversity, this is a property unique to coronaviruses, and some others. There is no reason a normal person will create variants. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3324083)
Yes, but it's important to realize the unvaccinated AND vaccinated play no role in variant creation. The vaccine however, does influence which variant is spreading through a population.
The coronavirus has proofreading to prevent replication diversity, this is a property unique to coronaviruses, and some others. There is no reason a normal person will create variants. It seems that existing immunity may reduce instances of drawn-out severe covid which are conducive to mutations. Also it is potentially useful that we could identify those with lingering acute covid and maximize their treatment, and in some cases quarantine them to prevent mutation escape. People in this category are very rare. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3324085)
Yes, it's very nice that it proofreads (aka resists mutation).
It seems that existing immunity may reduce instances of drawn-out severe covid which are conducive to mutations. Also it is potentially useful that we could identify those with lingering acute covid and maximize their treatment, and in some cases quarantine them to prevent mutation escape. People in this category are very rare. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3324099)
I cringe when I hear people on CNN claiming the unvaccinated are making variants, and this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. That is a complete lie. It's a pandemic of the unhealthy.
Policy makers and opinion shapers already completely disregard naturally acquired immunity and insist EVERYBODY take a needle, even those with miniscule risk profiles (like children). So it’s not a stretch to believe that they WILL expand the mandate to include boosters, and worse yet, they’ll probably insist on boosters even for people who had adverse reactions the first time around. They are just that detached from reality. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3324099)
I cringe when I hear people on CNN claiming the unvaccinated are making variants, and this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. That is a complete lie. It's a pandemic of the unhealthy.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3324063)
Monoclonal antibodies block escape variants in these patients, for this reason we haven't seen much viral diversity in the US.
As of today, Mozambique has administered 23 single immunizations per 100 population. Since some of that was J&J, they are at about 12% immunized. Of course since they started in June, the earliest people receiving an immunization should be getting in line for boosters next month. |
I hope some armchair epidemiologist/pilot can debunk what’s going on in Germany detailed here:
germany's vakzine faildespite over 67% fully vaxxed covid looks worse than 2020https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/germanys-vakzine-fail |
Debunk?? The death shot don’t work. Unless you are old, or have health issues, more likely to be harmed by shot than covid. FACT. Dumb ass rickndumd777 will ban me again I’m sure.
jab doesn’t stop infection jabbed spread covid equally with unjabbed reduce seriousness of infection???? How you going to prove that? stop drinking the cool aid. Stand up. Stand up for yourself. Stand up for your kids. Stand up for your country. Just say no. |
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