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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3325289)
The virus doesn't actually mutate that much, it just had a whole lot of opportunity due to the pandemic. That opportunity is declining, and as far as I've heard there have been no new "game changer" variants since delta (not saying it can't happen, just that it's not likely to happen a lot).
Also it appears possible or likely that significant mutations only occur in very rare patients who have extended covid due to immune issues... that's good because it means that the source is easy to identify and rare enough to largely control. https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overv...nds/statistics and even more are on chemotherapy, radiotherapy, immune suppressed post organ transplantation and on high dose corticosteroids for a variety of other medical conditions. Far less in Africa where some countries have 20% of the population living with HIV. https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overv...bal-statistics and that was before COVID interrupted international HIV detection and suppression programs. Worst case it will settle out to annual boosters, possibly modified for any variants (just like the flu). Possibly. But as of right now, no vaccine out there is known to be effective at stopping the spread for longer than about six or seven months. And even if a new vaccine were available today, it would be at least a year before we could TELL it was effective for a year. Yeah, we coukd look at neutralizing antibody levels and try to extrapolate, but that’s always dicey… There is no "long-term effect" for a discrete biological event. It's not cumulative, it does it's thing and is gone and the immune response then starts to decline... if it didn't wrong within days or a couple weeks, it's not going to. That's just how the biology works. |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 3325243)
Perspective.
Hospitalization, especially severe cases, and most deaths with Covid, occur among the unvaccinated. One could opine that in their hospitalized state, they are unhealthy. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3325256)
You don't remember the entire debate over the summer where heads of the FDA starting resigning over boosters?
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/13/10366...e-booster-shot again not saying it isn’t possible I fear there is a lot of people on this site that say things as if they are true because they really want them to be. |
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3325289)
Worst case it will settle out to annual boosters, possibly modified for any variants (just like the flu). |
New data out of the UK. There is a link in the story to the UK website.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/shocking-uk-study-stuns-medical-community-vaccinated-people-60-younger-twice-likely-die-unvaccinated-people/ |
Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
(Post 3325617)
New data out of the UK. There is a link in the story to the UK website.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...inated-people/ Stellar news source. Great info on The Big Lie… |
Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp
(Post 3325652)
I’M SHOCKED!
Stellar news source. Great info on The Big Lie… Well, here's Sharyl Attkisson. 5 time Emmy award winner for news reporting. Edward Murrow Award recipient. Formerly of Washington DC bureau of CBS news. Hope her CV meets to your exacting requirements. Shes been investigating the china flu scamdemic since about Feb 2020. She puts out very detailed and investigative works. Here's a link to her latest updates thru 21 November 2021. https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/11/...cine-concerns/ If you're too lazy to read it all here are the Cliffs notes:
Sharyl is the real deal. I trust her reporting, always have even when she was at CBS. She is thorough, fair, truthful and unbiased in her reporting. Just the facts with her. There are serious issues and side effects associated with the shots. To ignore that fact is disingenuous. Mandating them given the known adverse affects is pure insanity. |
Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp
(Post 3325652)
I’M SHOCKED!
Stellar news source. Great info on The Big Lie… |
When it comes to vaccines she’s a freaking nutbag. Of course you follow her. Guess we got a lot more Herman Cain awards coming.
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Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
(Post 3325692)
Stellar source. The link to the UK site was in the story. You’re just to brainwashed to hear the truth!
”Now we know why the globalists want to hide the Pfizer vaccine results for 55 years.” Go hit up Costco bro. Your gonna need more tin foil… |
Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp
(Post 3325726)
From the article you directly linked.
”Now we know why the globalists want to hide the Pfizer vaccine results for 55 years.” Go hit up Costco bro. Your gonna need more tin foil… |
https://i.ibb.co/Y78bMmP/33-B6-E35-B...-F441-B1-B.jpg
Demonstrations and unrestIn the Netherlands, a second night of riots broke out on Saturday in several towns and cities.Hooded rioters set fire to bicycles in The Hague, as riot police used horses, dogs and batons to chase the crowds away. Officials announced an emergency order in the city, and at least seven people were arrested. Police said a rock was thrown through the window of an ambulance carrying a patient. Officers in the city tweeted that five police officers were injured, with one taken away by ambulance with a knee injury. Elsewhere in the country, two top-flight football matches were briefly halted after supporters broke into the grounds and ran on to the pitch. Fans are currently banned from stadiums because of new coronavirus rules. The unrest followed a night of riots in Rotterdam condemned by the city's mayor as "an orgy of violence". Police fired warning shots and direct shots "because the situation was life-threatening", a police spokesperson told Reuters. At least three demonstrators are receiving hospital treatment for gunshot wounds, officers said. Authorities have launched an investigation. The Netherlands imposed a three-week partial lockdown last weekend after recording a record spike in Covid cases. Bars and restaurants must close at 20:00, and crowds are banned at sports events.Tens of thousands of people protested in Austria's capital, Vienna, after the government announced a new national lockdown and plans to make jabs compulsory in February 2022. It is the first European country to make vaccination a legal requirement. Brandishing national flags and banners reading "Freedom", protesters shouted "Resistance!" and booed the police. The country will enter a 20-day nationwide lockdown from Monday, shutting all but essential shops and ordering people to work from home. The mandatory vaccinations have been described as a "double-edged sword" by Andrea Ammon, director for the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control. She told the BBC's Andrew Marr that the strict rules could make people who were still doubting the vaccine - but not fully rejecting it - completely turn away from it. In Croatia, thousands marched in the capital, Zagreb, to show their anger at mandatory vaccinations for public sector workers, while in Italy, a few thousand protesters gathered at the ancient Circus Maximus chariot-racing ground in Rome to oppose "Green Pass" certificates required at workplaces, venues and on public transport. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59363256 |
For all the “Country X has Covid lockdown protests!!!” stories:
A particularly useful axiom to remember is “all politics are local”. Trying to understand political action in a place like Rotterdam or Italy would be like trying to explain all the nuances of some recent high profile criminal cases to a foreigner. Pointless, really. I’d use caution believing any source that slaps a charged headline and a picture of a crowd in a foreign country that ties it up nice and neatly. (For those who fly to Amsterdam, you’ve a pretty good idea of some tiny part of the subtext the Rotterdam articles aren’t discussing. Infinitely more complex than “Covid lockdowns “). |
Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
(Post 3325763)
For all the “Country X has Covid lockdown protests!!!” stories:
A particularly useful axiom to remember is “all politics are local”. Trying to understand political action in a place like Rotterdam or Italy would be like trying to explain all the nuances of some recent high profile criminal cases to a foreigner. Pointless, really. I’d use caution believing any source that slaps a charged headline and a picture of a crowd in a foreign country that ties it up nice and neatly. (For those who fly to Amsterdam, you’ve a pretty good idea of some tiny part of the subtext the Rotterdam articles aren’t discussing. Infinitely more complex than “Covid lockdowns “). And the “all politics is local” meme is as simplistic as any other. |
Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp
(Post 3325723)
When it comes to vaccines she’s a freaking nutbag. Of course you follow her. Guess we got a lot more Herman Cain awards coming.
You are referring to Sharly Attkisson here? |
Originally Posted by Drum
(Post 3325867)
So let me get this clear.
You are referring to Sharly Attkisson here? https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...link-to-autism |
Euro CDC changes stance on boosters, recommends them for all adults in light of rising cases and data from UK and IR...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ds-2021-11-24/ |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3326748)
Euro CDC changes stance on boosters, recommends them for all adults in light of rising cases and data from UK and IR...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ds-2021-11-24/ https://i.ibb.co/yhR1bjC/9-EF635-E2-...3002-A9656.jpg |
Time to remind everyone who really is spreading the misinformation. Straight from the very mouths who have moved the goal posts since March 2020.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1461750873445568515 When did Gates...I mean, "Dr." Gates.... get his medical degree? |
Originally Posted by chirrut
(Post 3326866)
Time to remind everyone who really is spreading the misinformation. Straight from the very mouths who have moved the goal posts since March 2020.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1461750873445568515 When did Gates...I mean, "Dr." Gates.... get his medical degree? |
Originally Posted by chirrut
(Post 3326866)
Time to remind everyone who really is spreading the misinformation. Straight from the very mouths who have moved the goal posts since March 2020.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1461750873445568515 When did Gates...I mean, "Dr." Gates.... get his medical degree? |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3326898)
Well, what they said was true before Delta. I assume those sound bites were all before mid-summer.
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Here's some interesting data:
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...ntry=~All+ages |
Originally Posted by Tfork
(Post 3326969)
Here's some interesting data:
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...ntry=~All+ages |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3327013)
The issue with data like this, is it is comparing people who died within 60 days of a positive PCR test, to people who died of a laboratory confirmed, breakthrough case of Covid. No where in the data sets does it list the number of people excluded from the totals.
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Originally Posted by Tfork
(Post 3327098)
When you die from COVID, wouldn't you be in a hospital where they would do such tests?
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3327102)
Actually, no they don't. Covid statistics are horrendous, you can't draw any conclusions from them.
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Originally Posted by Tfork
(Post 3327291)
Please post a link to that truth.
certificates to vaccine databases. The system assumes any positive pcr test within 60 days of death is unvaccinated, unless linked to a vaccination record. If a fully vaccinated death is found, it is then investigated for truth using hospital records. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3327313)
You already posted the link, read the methodology. The state compares death
certificates to vaccine databases. The system assumes any positive pcr test within 60 days of death is unvaccinated, unless linked to a vaccination record. If a fully vaccinated death is found, it is then investigated for truth using hospital records. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination "Vaccination status: A fully vaccinated person had SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen detected on a respiratory specimen collected ≥14 days after completing the primary series of an FDA-authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine. An unvaccinated person had SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen detected on a respiratory specimen and has not been verified to have received COVID-19 vaccine. Excluded were partially vaccinated people who received at least one FDA-authorized vaccine dose but did not complete a primary series ≥14 days before collection of a specimen where SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen was detected. Deaths: A COVID-19–associated death occurred in a person with a documented COVID-19 diagnosis who died; health department staff reviewed to make a determination using vital records, public health investigation, or other data sources. Rates of COVID-19 deaths by vaccination status are reported based on when the patient was tested for COVID-19, not the date they died. Deaths usually occur up to 30 days after COVID-19 diagnosis." Seems pretty methodical to me. I think you're correct that there can be variations in the data but not enough to change the outcome. However, I can find no better data. |
Originally Posted by Tfork
(Post 3327371)
Seems pretty methodical to me. I think you're correct that there can be variations in the data but not enough to change the outcome. However, I can find no better data.
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