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block30 12-01-2021 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3329792)
I mean, we are legally required to wear masks on airplanes because of a campaign promise of a politician…kinda hard to separate the two.

EDIT, hopefully we can keep it civil, but unlike a lot of topics discussed here, politics is at the core of this topic.

Exactly. "When you mix medicine and politics you get politics." That should not be surprising. At all.

block30 12-01-2021 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3329802)
This is what happens when you have a President with dementia being controlled by people who want to destroy the USA. Never thought I'd see a US President trying to destroy our country. At this point, I don't know how anyone can believe anything they say about covid or the covid vaccines. The science isn't changing. They are just flat out lying. Fauci should be in jail. They still won't come out and say that this was a virus manufactured in China funded by the US.

"When Australia had the temerity to call for an independent inquiry into the origins of COVID-19 last year, China was incensed. It

*** (China) responded with an unprecedented wave of trade restrictions that froze many categories of Australian exports, rapidly decoupling economic ties." ***

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/09/australia-china-decoupling-trade-sanctions-coronavirus-geopolitics/

Something is seriously wrong with this (Chinese) regime and yet people will throw the free world and its principles under the bus in order to cover for the Chinese government*.

Un-buh-lievable.

* No beef with the Chinese people, theyre just trying to make a living and care for their family like everyone else.

ASAP 12-01-2021 07:29 PM

Mask theatre is the least of the industry's worries. Feel bad for the FA's though. Both for having to wear them all the time and having to deal with compliance issues.[/QUOTE]

I don’t feel a bit bad for 90% of them. With few exceptions the FA’s I fly with are obnoxious mask nazis, far more then the mandate calls for.
Their union pushing for the mandates continued extension is going to be the hardest to overcome.
They voted for the nonsensical things, they can deal with the fallout.

Boatbuilder 12-02-2021 03:26 AM

.[/QUOTE]
I don’t feel a bit bad for 90% of them. With few exceptions the FA’s I fly with are obnoxious mask nazis, far more then the mandate calls for.
Their union pushing for the mandates continued extension is going to be the hardest to overcome.
They voted for the nonsensical things, they can deal with the fallout.[/QUOTE]

I find myself leaning towards this opinion. I commute and we DH frequently on the 717. I’ve seen quite a few FA’s that are really obnoxious about it. Some of the worst are the male FA’s. Heard one telling a passenger In a very condescending voice he had to replace the mask between “sips and nibbles”. Helluva way to treat someone essentially paying your salary.
I foresee the pushback getting worse. I am seeing more and more pax not wearing masks in the airports. Nobody, other than at the TSA checkpoint, is telling them to put it on. I’ve even seen gate agents allow passengers past the podium and onto the jetway without a mask. Next point of contact was the flight crew, with predictable results.
Question is when is the mask more of a threat to the flight than what it is supposedly protecting us against? How frequent do these altercations have to become before common sense can finally take hold? I suspect we may just find out in the next few months.

block30 12-02-2021 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by bluejuice71 (Post 3329858)
The guy who ran against Biden must have been a complete moron to lose to a guy with dementia. Crap that’s right - he didn’t actually lose - the election was stolen from him. Forget the fact that all the evidence brought to courts and even a number of Trump appointed judges found no evidence of fraud. But hey, who needs facts these days - just read about everything on Facebook.

Fauci himself said we didnt need mail in voting. It happened anyways.

"How the media covered

up the Hunter Biden story -

until after the election"


"It’s now clear that the Hunter Biden story was real, with Hunter himself acknowledging a federal probe into his taxes — one that reportedly began in 2018. Really, it was always clear. Yet when the New York Post broke the details, virtually the entire journalistic establishment and left-wing punditsphere defamed the newspaper, claiming it was passing on Russian “disinformation” or partisan fabrications."

Hey how'd that Russian collusion narrative work out?

When there's this much power up for grabs there's always shenanigans.

block30 12-02-2021 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by ASAP (Post 3329869)
Mask theatre is the least of the industry's worries. Feel bad for the FA's though. Both for having to wear them all the time and having to deal with compliance issues.

I don’t feel a bit bad for 90% of them. With few exceptions the FA’s I fly with are obnoxious mask nazis, far more then the mandate calls for.
Their union pushing for the mandates continued extension is going to be the hardest to overcome.
They voted for the nonsensical things, they can deal with the fallout.[/QUOTE]

My wife and I non revved, and at the end of the flight, my wife stood up to walk off, and in the process her mask fell below her nose. Big whup. The FA jumped my wife's ***.

And the best part was what she said....she addressed *me* in a really condescending tone, "Sir! YOU need to tell HER to put her mask back on!"

As the saying goes, theres a right way and there's a wrong way.

hockeypilot44 12-02-2021 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 3329984)
I don’t feel a bit bad for 90% of them. With few exceptions the FA’s I fly with are obnoxious mask nazis, far more then the mandate calls for.
Their union pushing for the mandates continued extension is going to be the hardest to overcome.
They voted for the nonsensical things, they can deal with the fallout.

My wife and I non revved, and at the end of the flight, my wife stood up to walk off, and in the process her mask fell below her nose. Big whup. The FA jumped my wife's ***.

And the best part was what she said....she addressed *me* in a really condescending tone, "Sir! YOU need to tell HER to put her mask back on!"

As the saying goes, theres a right way and there's a wrong way.[/QUOTE]


There isn't a right way to tell someone to wear a mask. It's all wrong.

rickair7777 12-02-2021 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 3329852)
"When Australia had the temerity to call for an independent inquiry into the origins of COVID-19 last year, China was incensed. It

*** (China) responded with an unprecedented wave of trade restrictions that froze many categories of Australian exports, rapidly decoupling economic ties." ***

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/09...s-geopolitics/

Something is seriously wrong with this (Chinese) regime and yet people will throw the free world and its principles under the bus in order to cover for the Chinese government*.

Un-buh-lievable.

* No beef with the Chinese people, theyre just trying to make a living and care for their family like everyone else.

Fortunately, the rest of the world and most especially Asia seems to have wised up in the last few years.

If you happen to pay attention, these are recent positive developments...


- Widespread banning of PRC produced 5G infrastructure systems
- Taiwan developing advanced subs (don't need nukes, their problem is local)
- Oz developing advanced nuclear subs (do need nukes, they have a lot of water to cover)
- Oz and Japan ramping up defense spending dramatically
- Japan moving away from pacifist military policies
- Formation of Quad coalition (India, US, OZ, Japan)

So yeah, it's a problem but at least some folks are waking up now. I was really worried five years ago (with access to classified intel), I'm not as worried now.

block30 12-02-2021 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3330008)
Fortunately, the rest of the world and most especially Asia seems to have wised up in the last few years.

If you happen to pay attention, these are recent positive developments...


- Widespread banning of PRC produced 5G infrastructure systems
- Taiwan developing advanced subs (don't need nukes, their problem is local)
- Oz developing advanced nuclear subs (do need nukes, they have a lot of water to cover)
- Oz and Japan ramping up defense spending dramatically
- Japan moving away from pacifist military policies
- Formation of Quad coalition (India, US, OZ, Japan)

So yeah, it's a problem but at least some folks are waking up now. I was really worried five years ago (with access to classified intel), I'm not as worried now.

As a bit of a military news geek I did notice the submarine procurement plans of Austrailia and Taiwan and Japan's lean-forward posture militarily.

It's a shame, though I'm a guard guy, and pro military, I wish we didnt have such a threat to deal with so the american taxpayer could save some money.

But like I posted above, there are very real signs that China is a malevolent actor in and outwards. I don't see how that can be denied with a straight face anymore.

rickair7777 12-02-2021 07:30 AM

WSJ OP-ED this morning... "Omicron Re-infects Government" :rolleyes:


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