jtbost

Looks like the mandate ends March 28th.

Thedude86

Lol. Who told you that? The CDC who doesn’t want to release any of their actual data? If you actually look at data from agencies and governments that aren’t hiding anything… For men under 40 you’re actually at slightly greater risk of heart complications from the Pfizer vaccine than of Covid itself. With Moderna you’re actually 10x greater. This is for ALL men under 40 and the data shows younger men have higher heart problems from vaccines than older men. So who knows how much greater the risk is from vaccines for teenagers and 20 year olds. The U.K says boys are 6x more likely to have just heart problems from vaccination than from any kind of problems from the virus. Israel shows that vaccinated young men have heart inflammation 133x greater than the normal rate. Go try to find any related data from the CDC. You can’t. They admit it’s a problem but have yet to release any specific numbers. All while the rest of the world has known this for at least 6 months. In addition to all that, you have to assume the vaccine actually works if you want any kind of benefit. It barely worked for Delta and even the Pfizer CEO said the first two doses do nothing for Omicron. So basically the only thing you get from the vaccine is a chance of side effects. There’s no longer any benefit even if no side effects existed.

hifiaudio177

Can pilots that were put on unpaid leave keep seniority? I assume that is what happened to some?

Thedude86

You do realize more people died in 2021 by October when 90% of the most vulnerable had been vaccinated compared to 2020 when absolutely no one was vaccinated? How many lives did the vaccine save? Your CDC “opinions” are irrelevant until they’re willing to stop hiding data and prove their numbers only include people hospitalized specifically for Covid and no other reason. The vaccines barely worked for the delta variant. The two doses that United mandated did absolutely nothing for Omicron per Pfizer’s CEO. The Pfizer documents released by court order a few days ago show that death is a side effect in just the first 3 months. Pfizer also admits the number of deaths are probably undercounted. They also redacted how many total vaccines that was based on. Maybe theyre scared to show us how safe it is. Also, only the older population were vaccinated in the first 3 months and other data shows younger people have the most heart related issues from vaccination and the lowest risk of issues with the virus. Pfizer and the FDA do not have to release all of the data until the end of the year so I would assume the worst news won’t come out until last minute.

Thedude86

The timing seems suspicious. Up until a few days ago United could claim, “we were just following CDC guidelines”.

The first release of the Pfizer documents just came out a few days ago and it doesn’t look good. The worst of it probably won’t be out until the end of the year, but the little that is out currently is now public information. I would think this could open up United to more lawsuits if they’re mandating something that the manufacturer and the FDA now shows has significant side effects. I would assume the new hire mandate is a different story since those people aren’t on property yet.

Sirius

i believe it is only for those who are current employees not anyone applying and interviewing.

rickair7777

Neither has any liability risk for UAL... federal law pretty much preempts vaccine liability. Except they probably have to pay your workers-comp.

flyguy23

I wonder If you “I refuse to fly with someone unvaccinated” people will now put your money where your mouth is…

rickair7777

How would you even know? Is it on the dispatch release?

Personally I'm over talking about at work, and so are most of the people I fly with. Especially since we can talk about WW-III instead.

Thedude86

True.

Another conspiracy theory of mine… sounds like the ongoing court case could go in the employees favor. I wonder if United thinks they might lose and would rather already have the employees back on property if they lose the case compared to losing the case and having to pay backpay while all those employees are still out on leave essentially getting a free ride.

Either outcome isn’t going to be desirable, but the latter would seem to be more of an ego crusher from a company standpoint.

Side note: Kirby said in January, United’s mandate probably saved 8-10 employee lives. Pfizer’s CEO said their first two doses do nothing. Sounds like Kirby has more confidence in his vaccine mandate than the actual manufacturer does.