Originally Posted by sleeves

Or, just add the Big Red Button…. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/11...ur-pilot-cant/

Originally Posted by BlueScholar

So first off that under 40 data comes directly from VAERS which is designed to collect every possible data signal. It is an online form that is submitted with no possible way to screen the entry, or verify who submitted it. If you wanted to say a vaccine turned you into a unicorn, that is a few clicks away. In this politicized world many fake submissions have been made, some caught some certainly haven't. Even if you do truthfully say there was a heart attack after a vaccination, VAERS isn't designed to decide correlation or causation. It's self reported, and follow up studies are needed. It's not comparing the actual risk, it's comparing the risk from flawed at best, potentially manipulated, and unverified reports at worst. I also suspect the baseline statistics on myocarditis in children is also underreported, but that's just a hunch. Even if you accept that study, it still says that overall the shot was beneficial for 73% of the USA, cool. It also doesn't take into account the net benefit of reducing infection in more vulnerable demographics, which then underreports the vaccinations to avoid serious hospitalization numbers.

It's also flawed to accept the logic of "Vaccines shouldn't be mandatory, I'm not going to get vaccinated against my political I mean my religious beliefs that by the way aren't backed by any of the world's major religions. I will participate in increasing the infection rate and increasing the chances for strains to mutate, thereby lessening the effectiveness of the vaccine and now that I have sabotaged the effectiveness of the vaccine, the vaccine was pointless because it only demonstrably helped 73% of the USA and possibly increased the risk of a side effect to the 27% least vulnerable, who but he way could still spread death and serious illness to the rest of us".

I also think it's interesting that the politicians that said grandma and grandpa should die for the good of the nation's economy are now screaming that a different demographic should never have been put at risk for self reported, possibly unrelated side effects.