Naval aviators cardiac failures up 900%
#41
The vast majority of central Africa and much of India and other third world un-plugged person just went about their daily business, with no grater illnesses or mortality than the U.S.
#42
The cultists needed to be blessed with a sacred sacrament so they could rationalize ending the hysterical holiday which they emotionally vested in. Vaccines were useful for that, as well well as keeping some folks out of the ICU.
Yes, I wish we had done that.
#43
The current issue is the risk vs benefit ratio for young people (who have very little benefit) - getting immunizations. There is ample evidence that the immunizations cause myocarditis in some people.
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.
1004245
and that this occurs most frequently in males under 40 which with the age vs mortality/morbidity of COVID is not a particularly high risk group if they do acquire COVID. And by now dang near everybody - vaccinated or not - has had COVID-19 and is already at reduced risk of adverse outcome. And individually the vaccine induced myocarditis risk is low but when you are advocating everybody over age six get a booster, from the perspective of public health you have to ask yourself if the benefit is worth the risk. And if not, why are you doing it? We have done enough studies to know the people at peak risk fir myocarditis:
And again, MOST of those developing myocarditis or pericarditis tolerated the episode and recovered. The problem being that most 12-17 year olds infected with COVID aren't at high risk for serious disease to begin with. As I've repeatedly stated, I'm not antivax, but serious COVID in otherwise healthy individuals is an extremely age dependent disease. A number of countries have decided the risk - albeit small - of providing COVID boosters to otherwise healthy adolescents and kids simply isn't worth taking given the limited benefit. That's not unreasonable.
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.
1004245
and that this occurs most frequently in males under 40 which with the age vs mortality/morbidity of COVID is not a particularly high risk group if they do acquire COVID. And by now dang near everybody - vaccinated or not - has had COVID-19 and is already at reduced risk of adverse outcome. And individually the vaccine induced myocarditis risk is low but when you are advocating everybody over age six get a booster, from the perspective of public health you have to ask yourself if the benefit is worth the risk. And if not, why are you doing it? We have done enough studies to know the people at peak risk fir myocarditis:
Reporting System (VAERS) that tracked outcomes in about 200 million individuals, and similar systems are in place in numerous other countries, in particular the United Kingdom and Israel. Using information from this large database, it was quickly recognized that there was a low, but consistent rate of patients presenting with post‐vaccination myocarditis and/or pericarditis. For example, data obtained from VAERS have shown that the incidence peaks in young males of 15–17 years with 105.9 cases per million doses administered and identified the second dose as the highest risk compared to the first dose.
A recent population study investigated the risk for myocarditis in 12–15‐year‐old adolescents after receiving BNT162b2. Data for the incidence of hospitalization for myocarditis between June and October 2021 were collected by the Israeli Ministry of Health (IMoH). The risk estimates of myocarditis after the second dose among male recipients were 8.09 cases/100 000 and among female recipients 0.69 cases/100 000. The risk of myocarditis after receipt of the second vaccine among 12–15‐year‐old male adolescents was estimated to be 1/12 361, but 1/144 439 among female adolescents. 28
#44
Apparently hogwash, unless you think the CDC is systematically conducting wholesale fraud. Presumably the detailed data will be available for review...
https://www.newsnationnow.com/health...iac-death-cdc/
https://www.newsnationnow.com/health...iac-death-cdc/
#45
Apparently hogwash, unless you think the CDC is systematically conducting wholesale fraud. Presumably the detailed data will be available for review...
https://www.newsnationnow.com/health...iac-death-cdc/
https://www.newsnationnow.com/health...iac-death-cdc/
The study also noted that the small population size made it less likely to see a “rare event such as sudden cardiac death” among the age group.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7745163/
#46
The sample size was youth in the state of OR, assuming that OR generally issues correct death certificates.
The positive group was small because youth rarely die from cardiac events, of any sort. I'd guess most have to do with drugs.
You could do a larger study, using other states, but you can always do a larger study.
It's unlikely this study somehow missed anything significant, unless OR youth are not representative of youth in general. If kids were dying left and right due to vaccines, OR is a big enough state that it would be observed.
The positive group was small because youth rarely die from cardiac events, of any sort. I'd guess most have to do with drugs.
You could do a larger study, using other states, but you can always do a larger study.
It's unlikely this study somehow missed anything significant, unless OR youth are not representative of youth in general. If kids were dying left and right due to vaccines, OR is a big enough state that it would be observed.
#47
The sample size was youth in the state of OR, assuming that OR generally issues correct death certificates.
The positive group was small because youth rarely die from cardiac events, of any sort. I'd guess most have to do with drugs.
You could do a larger study, using other states, but you can always do a larger study.
It's unlikely this study somehow missed anything significant, unless OR youth are not representative of youth in general. If kids were dying left and right due to vaccines, OR is a big enough state that it would be observed.
The positive group was small because youth rarely die from cardiac events, of any sort. I'd guess most have to do with drugs.
You could do a larger study, using other states, but you can always do a larger study.
It's unlikely this study somehow missed anything significant, unless OR youth are not representative of youth in general. If kids were dying left and right due to vaccines, OR is a big enough state that it would be observed.
https://www.bmj.com/content/352/bmj....ppears%20large.
All I'm saying is that without actually doing a sensitivity analysis on the data - which I'm pretty sure newsnationnow didn't do, you can't actually tell if what they reported is at all reassuring. And no, I didn't do a sensitivity analysis either and nearly two decades after my last stat course I'd have to look up HOW to do one even if I had the raw data which I don't, but what I do remember is that sparse data problems leading to low statistical power are quite common in these types of studies.
https://journals.lww.com/epidem/fulltext/2013/03000/Sensitivity_Analyses_for_Sparse_Data.10.
aspx
An excerpt:
Epidemiologic studies often must cope with sparse-data problems due to small sample sizes or to reduction in effective sample size due to the study of very uncommon (or common) exposures1 or highly correlated variables.2 However, determining the presence and impact of sparse data in a given study is not as clear as one might believe. In studies with only a few categorical variables, the researcher may be able to identify the presence of sparse data by observing the sample size within cells of contingency tables.3However, as data become more complex, this approach becomes untenable. In a regression model with a large number of covariates, researchers should be concerned about the potential impact of data sparseness
#48
Not trying to beat a dead horse but…
Going back to the CDC report of this study:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/...cid=mm7314a5_w
Among the 24 male decedents with an mRNA COVID-19 vaccination record in IIS, two (8%) died within 100 days of having received the vaccine. The first death was recorded as having occurred in a natural manner 21 days after COVID-19 vaccination. The immediate cause of death noted on the death certificate was congestive heart failure attributed to hypertension; other significant conditions included morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, and obstructive sleep apnea. The second decedent had received a COVID-19 vaccine dose 45 days before the date of death; the cause of death was recorded as “undetermined natural cause.” Toxicology results were negative for alcohol, cannabinoids, methamphetamine, and opiates; aripiprazole, ritalinic acid, and trazodone were detected. Follow-up with the medical examiner could neither confirm nor exclude a vaccine-associated adverse event as a cause of death for this decedent.
So of the 66 possibly cardiac deaths out of 925 males the actual group size with vaccination records available was only 58 individuals and the actual number with one or more mRNA immunizations was only 24 individuals. That really seems like sparse data to project any sort of generalizations from. Especially since this was death certificate data which has severe limitations in epidemiology
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5692167/
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/...cid=mm7314a5_w
Male Decedents
Among the 925 male decedents, no death certificate listed vaccination either as the immediate or as a contributing cause of death. Overall, 17 (2%) deaths among males were attributed to COVID-19. Death certificates cited noncardiac causes of death or other conditions contributing to death for 842 (91%) of the male decedents. Among the remaining 66 (7%) male decedents, excluding a cardiac cause of death based on the death certificate was not possible. Among these 66 decedents, IIS vaccination records were available for 58 (88%); receipt of at least one mRNA COVID-19 vaccination was recorded for 24 (41%).Among the 24 male decedents with an mRNA COVID-19 vaccination record in IIS, two (8%) died within 100 days of having received the vaccine. The first death was recorded as having occurred in a natural manner 21 days after COVID-19 vaccination. The immediate cause of death noted on the death certificate was congestive heart failure attributed to hypertension; other significant conditions included morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, and obstructive sleep apnea. The second decedent had received a COVID-19 vaccine dose 45 days before the date of death; the cause of death was recorded as “undetermined natural cause.” Toxicology results were negative for alcohol, cannabinoids, methamphetamine, and opiates; aripiprazole, ritalinic acid, and trazodone were detected. Follow-up with the medical examiner could neither confirm nor exclude a vaccine-associated adverse event as a cause of death for this decedent.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5692167/
#49
OK Rick, I cheated and used an online calculator because it has been way too long since my stat corses but here is what I got. To determine at the commonly accepted statistical norms if a group having an incidence of 11 events per thousand ( a 10% increase) is statistically different from a population based control group having 10 events per thousand the calculator indicates you would need an n (that is number of subjects studied) of 807+ THOUSAND subjects.
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Before a study is conducted, investigators need to determine how many subjects should be included. By enrolling too few subjects, a study may not have enough statistical power to detect a difference (type II error). Enrolling too many patients can be unnecessarily costly or time-consuming.
Generally speaking, statistical power is determined by the following variables:
The CDC study basically was comparing the results of the 24 dead immunized people against the 34 dead non immunized people. That pretty much lacked ANY power to make a determination of even a 10% difference in incidence, even if death certificate data were not known to be extremely inadequate and since the null hypothesis inherent in statistical analysis defaults to NOT finding a difference there was never any chance of a positive result.
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About This Calculator
This calculator uses a number of different equations to determine the minimum number of subjects that need to be enrolled in a study in order to have sufficient statistical power to detect a treatment effect.1Before a study is conducted, investigators need to determine how many subjects should be included. By enrolling too few subjects, a study may not have enough statistical power to detect a difference (type II error). Enrolling too many patients can be unnecessarily costly or time-consuming.
Generally speaking, statistical power is determined by the following variables:
- Baseline Incidence: If an outcome occurs infrequently, many more patients are needed in order to detect a difference.
- Population Variance: The higher the variance (standard deviation), the more patients are needed to demonstrate a difference.
- Treatment Effect Size: If the difference between two treatments is small, more patients will be required to detect a difference.
- Alpha: The probability of a type-I error -- finding a difference when a difference does not exist. Most medical literature uses an alpha cut-off of 5% (0.05) -- indicating a 5% chance that a significant difference is actually due to chance and is not a true difference.
- Beta: The probability of a type-II error -- not detecting a difference when one actually exists. Beta is directly related to study power (Power = 1 - β). Most medical literature uses a beta cut-off of 20% (0.2) -- indicating a 20% chance that a significant difference is missed.
#50
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