JV Perspective
03-02-2017 | 11:36 AM
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This is a GIVEN, not a gain.
I fear Scott and Sam will sell this as a gain.
We all know what a gain is.
03-02-2017 | 02:23 PM
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There you go.
The selling begins.
A JV LOA is a win. Because we can protect our flying.
Tell us. What happens if management violates this scope balance?
Oh wait, let me tell you.
First we wait an extended period listening to their excuses about why they can't meet their obligation. During this period the usual suspects parrot management's excuses.
Then we file a grievance.
Then after a long wait, we settle. For what? Upgrades and jobs added?
No.
A check for a few hundred bucks after taxes.
If we sign an LOA,
WE NEED MAJOR GAINS IN OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND RETIREMENT.
Increased value of a vacation day, minimum day, increased value of a training day.
18% DC
The selling begins.
A JV LOA is a win. Because we can protect our flying.
Tell us. What happens if management violates this scope balance?
Oh wait, let me tell you.
First we wait an extended period listening to their excuses about why they can't meet their obligation. During this period the usual suspects parrot management's excuses.
Then we file a grievance.
Then after a long wait, we settle. For what? Upgrades and jobs added?
No.
A check for a few hundred bucks after taxes.
If we sign an LOA,
WE NEED MAJOR GAINS IN OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND RETIREMENT.
Increased value of a vacation day, minimum day, increased value of a training day.
18% DC
03-02-2017 | 02:30 PM
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03-02-2017 | 03:18 PM
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Curious here. Are the pilot groups in our JVs(AF, KLM, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia, soon AM, KAL and China something) concerned about getting their fair share, or do they know that they will get the better end of the stick? I think I know the answer
03-03-2017 | 02:06 AM
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Words are important, and clearly you didn't pay attention to what you quoted. Attention to detail is important in our profession, and you lack it consistently in agenda pushing. Sold hard was the final and most important caveat. Mason did not do that. I told him I couldn't vote yes for it, and he never once questioned my decision.
03-03-2017 | 03:24 AM
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03-03-2017 | 07:03 AM
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Words are important, and clearly you didn't pay attention to what you quoted. Attention to detail is important in our profession, and you lack it consistently in agenda pushing. Sold hard was the final and most important caveat. Mason did not do that. I told him I couldn't vote yes for it, and he never once questioned my decision.
03-06-2017 | 09:19 AM
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Cryptic article. More ownership and JVs to come is my guess.
https://deltaairlines.sharepoint.com...-U-S--SEC.aspx
https://deltaairlines.sharepoint.com...-U-S--SEC.aspx
03-08-2017 | 07:47 AM
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I agree with your concerns and also agree that the penalties for non compliance are woefully inadequate. However it seems you're advocating for selling the jobs as long as we get said gains. IMO that's the wrong strategy. In doing so, all we do is add pressure to help push more jobs out.
If we grant relief in any area for supposed gains in another area WRT scope, we need to write in massive penalties. We can and we have before. The contractual penalties of making them pull seats out of 76 seat 90 seaters and forcing Compass to park all their planes and/or a catastrophic 100% bump and flush (both ways in a short period of time) were both extremely effective deterrents to various MBA shenanigans post merger.
We don't need to sell jobs for gains. We need to protect jobs and add in massive penalties for non compliance.
If we grant relief in any area for supposed gains in another area WRT scope, we need to write in massive penalties. We can and we have before. The contractual penalties of making them pull seats out of 76 seat 90 seaters and forcing Compass to park all their planes and/or a catastrophic 100% bump and flush (both ways in a short period of time) were both extremely effective deterrents to various MBA shenanigans post merger.
We don't need to sell jobs for gains. We need to protect jobs and add in massive penalties for non compliance.
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