Im not so sure. They have 90+ 717s and up to 125 CS100s on the books. The 717s are already taking back a lot of previous large RJ flying and we have yet to see what the CS100s can do, but it would suffice to say it will offer more flexibility than more RJs. Where do you see a perceived need or desire for them?

How about we keep the two issues separate. PS was written into the contract in times of concessions as sort of a safety valve. If the company became wildly profitable (it did) after we took massive pay-cuts (we did) we would be compensated (we are). ;)

I agree that Scope is all important, but it is a stand alone issue.

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Fine enough. I'm just responding to the prevalent and (seemingly rapidly) growing sentiment that PS is the king of kings and nothing beats it, coupled with a resigned apathy towards scope because "they'll just violate it anyway" etc.

Scope is, by far, the most important issue.

Yes but we also have to consider 116 dogs are leaving the fleet fairly rapidly. While we did buff up the 321 orders to help, many of those are likely eventual replacements for 757's but we'll see. In any case the big score is > 76 seats and/or higher weights. Hopefully we're not that dumb, but why wouldn't they try? For what's left, more 76ers in exchange for less 50s they want to park anyway will at a minimum be offered. Keep an ear open and you'll hear some volleys already on the way, albeit in the distance for now, in an attempt to soften the beachhead.

They still want this.

Where did all our 757's go? I was on a A321 jump seat yesterday leaving ATL at noon, we went out of A18 and as we taxied on Lima all the way down to Ramp 6 before turning onto Mike to get in the 21 plane conga line for 9L/M2, I looked at every jet on A, B, C, D and E, not a single 757, and none in the takeoff line up either.

I saw lots and lots of A321's at A gates, which have taken over most of the ATL-MCO flying, along with all the 737's/Mad Dogs/717's at B and C gates, but not a single 757 in the ATL? Were they all airborne in the 8/10am launch, going to the west coast, or up in JFK and DTW? It was rather eerie not seeing a single 757 in ATL.

entertaining there is any exchange of PS for anything is the first step to failure. its no longer an either or proposition.

they are both important, but NEVER should one come at the expense of the other. Hopefully for most of us, PS is now installed and perceived as a DURABLE component in our PWA.

We may as well entertain the rationale that vacation is exchangeable for scope. Or medical insurance. Or the 401 16%. Or duty rigs.

That is the standing PS now has in the PWA....and if anyone views it otherwise, they are courting failure.

A lot of young folks getting hired at DL these days, that demographic will be a strong voice against narrowbody scope gives. Good idea to stay vigilant.

Think mgt would be comfortable with current scope other than
Gross WT. looks like next gen rj's are heavy due to geared engines

Aeromexico is not taking dtw flights, they are additions to our flights, thus creating more connecting passengers for our delta flights. Just like our passengers connect on theirs in Mexico City.

So more seats are being added to the city pair. Why not Delta? Are we increasing ATL-MEX? We are not competing for this additional lift. That's the point.