open time q trips
 

How do you post a trip in open time to let others pick it up. (i think this is a q trip?) I read the handbook and still can't figure it out. I was able to post it on the swap board, and have the request in for a personal drop.

It will flow to open time after PD is approved...runs around same times as PCS


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thanks, interesting. So if no one picks it up when it is listed as a q trip, does that mean you still are responsible to fly it? What is the purpose of showing it as a q trip?

When you put it in as a PD, but the staffing isn't good enough (black days on any day of the trip), it becomes a Q trip in open time.

People can pick it up (it also shows on the swap board), and if staffing improves it will drop. Otherwise you're on the hook.

Somewhat confusing answer. It will "flow" to open time (meaning the trip was dropped from the pilot's schedule) if a personal drop is approved, which means the reserve availability was sufficient to grant the PD.

It will become a "Q" trip listed in open time, because the PD is disapproved, due to lack of reserve availability.

Also, it doesn't run "around the same times as PCS." It IS part of the PCS run.

In this world, precise language matters.

Sure about that?

Only shows on the swap board if you post it there separately. I don’t know why you wouldn’t do this but some people don’t.

When I was an FO I flew with CA’s who didn’t even know the Swapboard existed.

Huh... it used to show on the swap board, too. I thought.... :confused:

I believe that at some point it was considered. Whether it was part of some negotiations, or perhaps some LEC resolution, I just don't know. But it was never implemented.

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I just flew with a guy who didn't know what the C Series was. 82%!

This is a timely reminder that I'm doing it all wrong... time to give these boards a break!

And to follow up, this is key if you really want to get rid of that trip because pilots who love to fly can pickup swap board trips above the open time limit, but if it's only listed in open time as a "q" trip, they have to be under the pickup limit to get it or be able to swap with pot with a trip that doesn't touch the reserve limited days.

Happy giving!

To bad I can't swap my month of reserve for a crappy line!

Bring back touching trips and that'll open up SRLs and Power Move-Ups and it will all be good. 😁

A couple non-exact answers here...to paraphrase:

There are two separate ways to drop a trip (without considering APDs/IVDs).

One is via a Personal Drop. After you put in your request, when the PCS runs, if the reserve coverage allows it, boom, the trip is gone. It's all automated.

If the reserve coverage doesn't allow it, it falls into open flying to let someone pick it up. It becomes a "qualified" or Q trip because if someone wants to swap-with-the-pot, the rules are different than for a normal open time trip. If someone wants to pick it up, they have to be under the white slip limit.

This is the important part...your request will run on every PCS cycle until it hits the expiration time you put in. Even if the day(s) are showing below the reserves required, leave the request in, because there is always some flux in the reserve levels when the PCS runs. It might be good when it gets to your request.

The swap board is entirely separate and is not connected to the PCS system. If you want to drop a trip via the SB, you have to put it there separately. The bonus is pilots can pick up off the SB no matter their credit (no limit), so you'll have more luck getting rid of a trip there, but unlike the PCS, it's not automated, and you have to roll the dice someone wants to pick it up.

For the highest chances of dropping the trip, you want to put in a PD AND list the trip as a drop on the SB.

Another hint: you can't PD trips for the subsequent month until the next month's PCS cycles start, which is the 20th of the current month.

You can list trips on the SB as soon as they're loaded into DBMS a couple days after the PBS awards. It gives you a 5-6 day head start.

If you REALLY need out of a trip, you can use APDs or IVDs, but that's a whole other thread.

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