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Originally Posted by TexanDriver
(Post 2542569)
Heard as we start getting the ETOPS 321s we can start seeing LAX-HNL etc. so I'm sure a 320 LAX base is on the horizon.
without too much trouble apparently. Though they have a higher MTOW version. They do have payload issues when departing from other Hawaiian airports with shorter runways. |
Hawaiian is also taking delivery of 321NEOs to fly the thinner US routes.
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
(Post 2542895)
Are we paying for the terminal improvements there or is L.A? It seems we just spent money to fix up terminal 5 and 6. Then we move to the north side and give our nice updated terminals to Virgin, Spirit, and Allegiant. Now we are living in their old suck hole and have to keep spending to make it nice now. I hope the money for improvements isn’t coming out of our pockets.
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Originally Posted by saturn
(Post 2543083)
We are, and we did. Since we invested hundreds of millions in T5, LAWA and the other airlines were willing to permit the huge terminal swap. That way LAWA also got us to redo their most decrepit, T3. We are also going to connect T2-T3-Tom Bradley. Better move long run for Delta, even if it costs a ton today.
Its a bit more complicated than that. From what I have heard via the CPO when this first came up DAL will receive "credit" for all the improvements we paid for at T-5. Not sure exactly how, but there is some sort of cost spreading mechanism in work here. The good news is that this is California so whatever "mechanism" they have come up with you can be sure that it will work and be 100% efficient. :eek: Scoop |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 2543217)
The good news is that this is California so whatever "mechanism" they have come up with you can be sure that it will work and be 100% efficient. :eek:
"You might find better but you won't find more expensive." 😁 |
Originally Posted by cynicalaviator
(Post 2542922)
American is flying their 321's with full loads (185ish seats) from HNL
without too much trouble apparently. Though they have a higher MTOW version. They do have payload issues when departing from other Hawaiian airports with shorter runways. |
Originally Posted by dodgerk
(Post 2543292)
So they are not 321neos then right? Do they have a different engine than the Delta 321s?
I believe it's a bit more powerful than our CFM 56. But I don't think there is a significant performance difference. |
The key takeaway in LAX is that even though T2 and T3 suck we are the only large carrier that now has the means for a significant expansion down the road.
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Originally Posted by Ship741
(Post 2543699)
+1
Its interesting to see Delta stumble into these markets (I'm thinking of BOS also) after abandoning and ignoring them for so long. Delta was the largest carrier at LAX in 1988-89. It seems like SEA has taken a back seat since RA left. |
They've said elsewhere (sorry, don't remember off the top of my head) that SEA is basically at max capacity without more gates (they've been being added... slowly) and the international arrivals facility being complete. After the IAF is built, I would expect SEA will grow further. SEA, strategically, is closer to Asia than LAX is. An hour and a half closer to NRT, ICN.... that is a competitive advantage vs AA and UA flying it from LAX/SFO, and with the huge Amazon expansion and growth in SEA, it makes sense to compete in SEA in a big way.
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