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Gunfighter 12-05-2020 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3166883)
Very true on the amount of work. Although it seems the majority of the work is at the beginning, setting up your team, systems and processes. After that gets rolling a lot of the workload is on autopilot. One sponsor told me managing a 400 unit apartment building is easier than managing a duplex he had when he first started because the apartment building is has so much scale it pays for the on site maintenance and leasing team. A duplex that responsibility is all you because the scale is so small property management would zap most if not all your cashflow.

I'd be very concerned about investing with a syndicator who says managing a 400 unit apartment is less work than a duplex. Don't get me wrong, there is definitely advantages to scale in larger properties, but a team of employees is more work than two tenants in a duplex. He may be in the business of raising money more than managing an investment. Ignoring the property is not responsible stewardship of his investors resources. Even with contracted third party management, there is more work involved managing the manager than running a duplex. Hopefully he was just bragging about growing his business out of the self management phase.

Gunfighter 12-05-2020 02:36 PM

In the airline industry, we have a continuum of time vs money. We can trade more of our time for more money via WS, GS, etc.

In the world of real estate investing there is a similar balance. An investor with loads of time can invest that time to generate a higher return on the invested capital through self management and sweat equity in value add property. They think they are getting the best possible return. The mistake is that time is finite, but money is not. You can create more money with good investments, but you cannot create more time. Be careful with your most valuable and limited resource.

If you don't have the time to invest, you may be getting a lower percentage return by paying for property management and property improvements, but you have more of your time available to find more property. Some investors have a hard time letting go of the reins and get stuck at the limit of their own time and ability vs expanding their team and focusing time on the most productive areas.

Dougdrvr 12-05-2020 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Ray Red (Post 2594414)
MI and Oregon both have 10 cent bottle deposits.....

Hey...I mostly paid for my first 7 hours of dual that way :)

crewdawg 12-06-2020 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3167250)
In the airline industry, we have a continuum of time vs money. We can trade more of our time for more money via WS, GS, etc.

In the world of real estate investing there is a similar balance. An investor with loads of time can invest that time to generate a higher return on the invested capital through self management and sweat equity in value add property. They think they are getting the best possible return. The mistake is that time is finite, but money is not. You can create more money with good investments, but you cannot create more time. Be careful with your most valuable and limited resource.

If you don't have the time to invest, you may be getting a lower percentage return by paying for property management and property improvements, but you have more of your time available to find more property. Some investors have a hard time letting go of the reins and get stuck at the limit of their own time and ability vs expanding their team and focusing time on the most productive areas.


Word! A friend was going to sell his 6-9 properties because they were taking so much of his time. I talked him into trying property management for a year, and he couldn't be happier. 8-10% hit in returns, but MASSIVE gain in QOL and time with the family. If I move up into more proprieties, it will only be with property management or through programs mentioned above.

Flying Yak 12-07-2020 04:14 AM

I agree . I am commercial property only all on triple net long term leases. The 10% I pay my manger is money well spent and it's deductible. I now pretty much just check my statements once a month. Your time is gold use it wisely. Having just retired after 38 yrs. of airline flying its time to enjoy.

sailingfun 12-07-2020 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 2594405)
It's called being diverse, multiple streams of income.

Another term for that is not having a life!

tennisguru 12-07-2020 06:40 AM

I have diverse, multiple streams of spending!

sailingfun 12-07-2020 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3167775)
I have diverse, multiple streams of spending!

Toys are important, very important!

Flying Monkey 12-07-2020 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3167775)
I have diverse, multiple streams of spending!

Same. You married too?

tennisguru 12-07-2020 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Flying Monkey (Post 3167785)
Same. You married too?

With kids! Why blow all that money on just one person?


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