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Old 06-12-2018 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
They're already pulling from the regionals, but they'll need to replenish those seats (unless we can pull all of our flying up to mainline, which would be nice), to keep the operation going. They just don't think that hiring from the mil/regionals will be enough in the coming decade. Last time I was at Mecca it was mentioned that they expected to get 1/3rd from Military, 1/3rd from Regionals/135/et.., and 1/3rd from direct hire programs like this.



The first book I ever read about professional aviation (the name escapes me) was about a dude that retired as a WB Captain. The book starts out in the 60s or 70s, when he was flying home from college and he had no idea what he was going to do. Flipping through the pages of the airline magazine, he saw an add that said come fly for XX airline (I think AAL). They paid for all his training, got him experience and put him in the right seat. While they're not so desperate that they're paying for training (yet), what's old is new again...

This is not a direct hire program.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
This is not a direct hire program.
Sure it is, into Endeavor.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Sure it is, into Endeavor.

That’s more like it!
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Old 06-12-2018 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SideSticker
I quess my point would be if you want to be an airline pilot, you'd do well to skip militarily service, if you can afford an aviation college. The a seniority boost alone could be worth millions.
That's true. Seems to me you join the military these days because you want to fly military airplanes, do a wide variety of missions, make the best friends you'll ever have, and serve your country. The Air Force commitment is 10 years after pilot training and the Navy is 8 years. If you want to be an airline pilot, there are much better ways or you go Guard or Reserve. The services are really short of pilots right now. If that continues, a program that combines airline and military interests would make a lot of sense.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 10:40 AM
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All the other airlines will copy this program, even the LCCs, which may offer better initial placement, than a regional.

Ultimately, the airlines should pay for your college, and training if you get accepted into these programs. Otherwise, I see them as an excuse, for these already ripoff Universities, to raise tuition.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
...when in fact the company controls the seniority list completely.
That's not even close to how it works.

The company may control who gets added to the bottom of the list, but after that they have almost zero control over the seniority list.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Ultimately, the airlines should pay for your college, and training if you get accepted into these programs. Otherwise, I see them as an excuse, for these already ripoff Universities, to raise tuition.
That appears to be the case regardless. If airlines were really serious about addressing the future pilot supply issue, they'd be investing (relatively small by comparison) amounts of money into lower cost flight training programs/academies independent from the price gouging university system. Instead they leave it to the funding drunk Big Ed machine that charges deep into the 6 figures for a degree in nothing, based on a list of free reading materials available at any library or online, then they add another 6 figures of dramatically overpriced "all glass" quarter million dollar trainer based equipment on top of it LOL!

While this strategy (more like a lack thereof) may end up providing some of the supply needs going forward, it will do so by guaranteeing a massive cost increase in that supply, but as Jerry Seinfeld says, "that's 'Tomorrow Guy's' problem"
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Old 06-12-2018 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
This is not a direct hire program.
Agreed, poor wording on my part.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
That's not even close to how it works.

The company may control who gets added to the bottom of the list, but after that they have almost zero control over the seniority list.
Would you care to explain? The only control we have is what is in the contract if the company chooses to merge. We can’t as a union simply decide as a example to put all 9e pilots on the list. The company however can make that decision.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Would you care to explain? The only control we have is what is in the contract if the company chooses to merge. We can’t as a union simply decide as a example to put all 9e pilots on the list. The company however can make that decision.
I specifically said the company controls who gets added to the bottom of the list. The other poster said the company has basically complete control of the list and that's a ridiculously inaccurate way to phrase it.
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