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gloopy 07-17-2018 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 2636683)
Why do you think this will cost Delta more money...Am i misreading the memo?

I can't see how this will accomplish anything to address the pilot supply issues unless DL ponies up. If DL (or whatever airline that pursues anything close to ab initio) doesn't pay, then this will have a negligibile effect. I don't see that many additional people being able to, much less willing to, go into med school levels of debt for this.

Baradium 07-17-2018 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by Two Kings (Post 2636862)
There are almost 2,000 pilots currently at Endeavor and Delta will only hire at maximum 180 per year the rest will likely sit in a queue like the SSP candidates.

According to Mesabah, most of the captains are "stuck" which gets us down to let's say 1400. Assume a 75% acceptance rate and that's 1,050. That'd be under 6 years for all pilots on property. At 1000 pilots and 75% it'd be just over 4 years. It sounds like the 6 year movement still puts those pilots ahead of any of the pilots under this new program.

GogglesPisano 07-17-2018 02:44 PM

How do BA/AF/KLM/LH do it?

gloopy 07-17-2018 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2636872)
How do BA/AF/KLM/LH do it?

If we reduced defense spending to 1% of GDP and made them raise to 4%, we could have all the free pilots we wanted with the savings. :cool:

GogglesPisano 07-17-2018 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2636873)
If we reduced defense spending to 1% of GDP and made them raise to 4%, we could have all the free pilots we wanted with the savings. :cool:

There is truth to this. For decades US carriers have benefited from outsized defense spending in the form of ready-trained pilots. With the advent of drones those days are coming to an (eventual) end.

I'll bet you'll see European-style ab initio here within 5 years. With some sort of 5-yr bond attached.

GuardPolice 07-17-2018 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2636867)
I can't see how this will accomplish anything to address the pilot supply issues unless DL ponies up. If DL (or whatever airline that pursues anything close to ab initio) doesn't pay, then this will have a negligibile effect. I don't see that many additional people being able to, much less willing to, go into med school levels of debt for this.


This isn’t mean to solve their hiring problem by itself. It is just one piece of the puzzle.

Grumpyaviator 07-17-2018 02:56 PM

There was a VP at xjt who used to say ab initio was the future of US Airlines. He went to B6 and was one of the developers of JetBlue U. He’s now at Delta.

Mesabah 07-17-2018 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2636870)
According to Mesabah, most of the captains are "stuck" which gets us down to let's say 1400. Assume a 75% acceptance rate and that's 1,050. That'd be under 6 years for all pilots on property. At 1000 pilots and 75% it'd be just over 4 years. It sounds like the 6 year movement still puts those pilots ahead of any of the pilots under this new program.

Flow negotiations started today, so that may delay it even further if there is captain movement.

Smooth at FL450 07-17-2018 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 2636634)
I hate to rain on the parade but I've had concerns recommending the career to my kids mainly because technology is moving so fast I'm not sure how long aircraft will have 2 or more pilots. Anyone else have these concerns or am I out to lunch?


No doubt the career will evolve, but why can't your kids evolve with it? First person to fly a single pilot commercial airline pilot will likely be formerly part of a 2-pilot crew...


They just gotta keep their eyes open to the world around them and adjust as necessary.

surfnski 07-17-2018 03:16 PM

Coulda swore I read somewhere we were overstaffed and cutting back flying?


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