SIAP: Drops, WS done before Swaps?
 

Can a junior guy get a trip before me on a straight WS before my Swap? There is plenty of coverage on the drop portion of my swap. Or should I drop the trip and WS the one I want? Need an answer before 2200.

Thanks

23.E.2

Requests for the following schedule alterations will be processed in the following order:
2 a. MLOA (see Section 13 D.),
3 b. IVD (See Section 23 I.),
4 c. APD (see Section 23 I.),
5 d. PD and X-day moves (see Section 23 I. and Section 12 M. 8.),
6 e. recovery slips (see Section 23 J.),
7 f. white slip (see Section 23 P.), and
8 g. swap with the pot (see Section 23 H.)

So a junior guy could pick it up on a WS if you straight swap and don’t PD and then WS it.

Step one: read your Contract

Thanks for the advice:(

No problem. I figured you asked a question without any effort into looking it up so I'd answer without putting any effort in either.

You should follow the advice of my mother (and probably yours too.) And I quote: “If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all.”

Denny

Agree 100% Denny!

Used to be you could come to APC and ask a contact question in an effort to cross examine the contact language. 99% of the time within minutes someone would come along with an answer and maybe a "story" of how I learned from that situation. It is sad to see, what I hope is a very small percentage, of folks stifling conversations with snarky and condescending remarks. For those 99% of you out there who still offer free advice without strings attached... thank you for being classy, and humble; the kind of pilot that everyone wants to fly with!

Love how our PWA pretends like MLOA is a request....

I have the drop/WS versus swap dilemma myself...

I think of it like this;
If I’m not crazy about the trip I have, and am willing to roll the dice and try to drop it and pick up the better trip...I do it. Knowing full well someone senior to me could be doing the same thing. Then he/she will get the trip and I will have nothing on my line.

If I kinda like my current trip, I’ll go with the “safer” swap with pot option. That way I don’t end up with nothing on my line, and I MIGHT get the better trip with the swap

You can also list your current trip as a pickup. If you don’t get the open time trip you stand a reasonable chance to get your old trip back.

This works the best for the risk averse. Put in a PD for your trip, then put in a WS for the trip you want as number 1 and the trip you have as number 2.

I did this once and when checking ICrew, I had to acknowledge a schedule change. I got excited, thinking I got the better trip, but it was my original trip. At least I didn’t have to scramble to pick up something else.

The only risk is you get your PD, someone else WS the trip you wanted, and someone senior to you has a blind WS in and picks up the trip you dropped, then you're stuck with nothing.

But I've used this to good effect in a category where people quickly WS almost anything that drops into open time.

You do want to make sure there is coverage to drop your original trip. If not it becomes a Q trip. You can’t WS your own Q trip but anyone junior to you can. Learned this the hard way.

yep yep yep...ouch!

Well when it needs to be a schedule alteration, it IS a request...Vis a Vis, "I have MLOA from the 1st-8th, please add it to my schedule". The language does nothing to diminish the nature of an MLOA need.

Its called cloud sourcing. Just post the relevant reference and move on. Unless you have a daily use with these clauses, or sit around memorizing contractual language (get a life) the internet is more timely and helpful than any other source.

Help others succeed. Save the sarc for your old man club.

more useless advice...eat your veggies, looking at you CB. :rolleyes:

...or anyone senior also. The 'drops' occur first in the PCS run THEN any WS that captures your trip (whether generic or by number), senior or junior, will process