Vacation
Our current max vacation is 126 hours.
In 1990 (28 years ago) the Delta pilots max vacation was 191:15. 7 weeks. FedEx pilot max is 216 hours. 6 hours per day. __________________ Jerry Fielding |
If we are going to get back to 191 hours during a contract that will see an explosion in retirements, there will simply have to be some offsetting productivity swap (IMHO). Personally, I can accept adding an additional week at all longevity steps, while making that one and only one week eligible for voluntary sell-back.
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I too think productivity gives will be fought hard by the company, but vacation sellback is not something I want in the contract. 1 week this contract, every week the next. There are more creative ways to get more money out of our vacation. The problem with vacation sellback is that pilots will sell it back...
Also, don't discount UPS style vacation just because they "only" have 175 hours worth of vacation. If they drop two weeks of vacation in one month, they have a provision to get the entire month off. I know, I know, they're "not our peers..." :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 2682768)
Our current max vacation is 126 hours.
In 1990 (28 years ago) the Delta pilots max vacation was 191:15. 7 weeks. FedEx pilot max is 216 hours. 6 hours per day. __________________ Jerry Fielding Vacation is one area that we are truly lagging the industry. :( As far as productivity goes if we are retiring a lot of Pilots we should hire accordingly. There are many ways to measure productivity with the most common being block hours flown. Block hours however do not relate to profits but revenue does. Last time I checked, on a per Pilot basis, DAL Pilots produce more revenue per year than Southwest Pilots. Our productivity is fine. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 2682821)
Vacation is one area that we are truly lagging the industry. :( As far as productivity goes if we are retiring a lot of Pilots we should hire accordingly.
There are many ways to measure productivity with the most common being block hours flown. Block hours however do not relate to profits but revenue does. Last time I checked, on a per Pilot basis, DAL Pilots produce more revenue per year than Southwest Pilots. Our productivity is fine. Scoop DL-1357xxx SWA-1337xxx Total revenue however is more in our favor. Delta had 41B in total revenue with 14,600 pilots. SWA had 21B with 9600 pilots. |
When a senior (19+ year) pilot retires, that removes 5 weeks of 'pilot productivity loss' at the top of whatever pay-scale said pilot resides.
When we hire a new pilot, we're adding 1-2 weeks of 'pilot productivity loss' at the lower end of the pay scales. Does the massive number of retirements and the resulting shift (younger/newer) of the pilot group influence our leverage/negotiating capital in this area? I know that in terms of the whole, this may be a drop in the bucket. But to me it seems like the retirements are reducing a cost of a 'senior' pilot group. No offense intended to the senior pilots; I'm just jealous I won't ever hit the 19+ level on the vacation scale. (hired older) |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2682868)
2017 operating revenue per pilot.
DL-1357xxx SWA-1337xxx Total revenue however is more in our favor. Delta had 41B in total revenue with 14,600 pilots. SWA had 21B with 9600 pilots. |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 2682785)
If we are going to get back to 191 hours during a contract that will see an explosion in retirements, there will simply have to be some offsetting productivity swap (IMHO). Personally, I can accept adding an additional week at all longevity steps, while making that one and only one week eligible for voluntary sell-back.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 2683046)
I'm adamantly against vacation sell back, and don't think we need additional weeks. We need to fix the weeks we have by way of daily hour credit increases. 3-something a day is asinine, and the last thing we need are more weeks at that anemic level.
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
(Post 2683024)
When a senior (19+ year) pilot retires, that removes 5 weeks of 'pilot productivity loss' at the top of whatever pay-scale said pilot resides.
When we hire a new pilot, we're adding 1-2 weeks of 'pilot productivity loss' at the lower end of the pay scales. Does the massive number of retirements and the resulting shift (younger/newer) of the pilot group influence our leverage/negotiating capital in this area? I know that in terms of the whole, this may be a drop in the bucket. But to me it seems like the retirements are reducing a cost of a 'senior' pilot group. No offense intended to the senior pilots; I'm just jealous I won't ever hit the 19+ level on the vacation scale. (hired older) |
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