Dues reduction
 

Pathetic ALPA has decided to reduce dues from 1.90% to 1.85% in Jan. 2020. Wow yippee how exciting. How pathetic is more like it. If you can't run the union at 1.25% to 1.40% with this many members than the expenses are way too high!!
Get it together ALPA, please...

Where is this? Any link?

You get to keep $50 for every $100k you get. The A350 guys will be be saving $500!

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It’s insulting really.

Dues Reduction

At this week's Board of Directors (BOD) meeting in Washington, D.C., the Board voted to approve a dues reduction for all ALPA members. Effective Jan. 1, 2020, the dues rate for ALPA members will be 1.85%. The current dues rate is 1.90%. In addition to the dues reduction, the resolution directs that the union evaluate expenses to ensure no resources or productivity are impacted by the reduced funds. Note: The initial version of BOD Update 20181018 incorrectly stated the dues reduction would be effective Jan. 1, 2019.

A 3% cut? How magnanimous, why even bother? Might as well wait 2 years and do a 6% cut and get some real political capital.:rolleyes:

Dues reduction
 

My understanding is that the MECs of the smaller unions (with smaller wage bases from which to collect) push back on reductions because they find it hard to operate below 1.8ish. The major MECs would be ok reducing dues to 1.5% but increments are all that are achievable now.


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In addition a Presidential Committee will analyze what funds are required and the appropriate distribution levels for the different size MECs. Reportedly the Delta MEC has done two dues rebates effectively reducing the DALPA dues rate already. Other MECs with surpluses are free to do the same if their reps see fit.

Hey, I'll take any savings I can get. What's more striking to me is all the hand wringing over no DAL pilots elected to national, but after years of DAL leadership this is all we could get? As long as the Hoffas don't get put in charge I think the individual companies represented by our national officers means the square root of eff all.

Agreed. It's sasy to give a .05% reduction (all the way in 2020), when almost every airline is getting a ~3% pay raise in a few months. On top of that, 3 or 4 airlines will have recently signed/will be signing new contracts with even more raises. I get that it's still a % reduction, but it won't impact them in the least.

If the companies are getting a 3% raise, FPL would also increase by 3% as well. Not saying I don't think they couldn't decrease it but thinking that costs are fixed is incorrect.

Actually ALPA dues revenue will be lower due to so many lower paying new-hires and probationary pilots coupled with increasing retirements.

Ya, and our newhires are make FAR more than they were just 5 years ago. Learn to cut some fat, they'll be just fine.

The last ten years might have been ALPA's best. 1.9%/1.85% is the best investment most pilots will ever make. Might need some of those reserves if the SCOTUS creates national right work case law for private corporations.

And the Regional guys are getting pay raises also. My First year paying alpa I made $28k, these days they are getting payed double.

They also added JetBlue, WestJet and other companies to ALPA. There’s no reason to keep the dues this high.

DAL & UAL account for 60% of ALPA revenue. The effect of regional pay is negligible. ALPA revenues are decreasing due to demographics at the A carriers.

l already spent my savings at Starbucks this morning. Ah delicious!! Thank you... me.:rolleyes:

And how have you spent the double digit pay increases? Thank you ALPA.

The same way everyone else has. On the union among other things. As a member, thanks again... me.:rolleyes:

Is ALPA some benevolent overlord we must pay homage to? It was a token gesture but political fuel for sure.

That’s pretty lousy. I thought 1.0% was feasible and 1.5% was a given knowing how much more ALPA is getting now than they were 8-10 years ago.

Also, saying the smaller MECs have a hard time operating on 1.8 or less is a poor excuse. Most regionals are making 30-60% more across the board than they did 5 years ago.

We should have gotten rid of the B,C,D carriers years ago. One union, one brand, one scope, one list. We only cheat ourselves.

What were you basing 1% feasibility on? What services should be cut? What are the appropriate levels for the OF, OCF, MCF, Kitty Hawks funds et al? What worst case contingencies did you take into account? Right to work?

Well, the NetJets account for ALPA brass can go. The housing and car allowance for the ALPA Pres. Those items can be cut, along with much more.

The “association” (don’t call it a UNION) is very very top heavy.

300 staff members for a highly successful 61,000 member organization? Not top heavy at all.

An amazing decade of performance topped off by the FAA Reauthorization that was a grand slam for pilots.

.05 percent. And not until 2020.

Pathetic.

300 staff member to do what?
Each airline has their own MEC and most also have LEC staff.
They need 300 people to print me a “Find the Differences” Highlights puzzle at the back of the magazine- that I already get digitally...only to have it printed and mailed to me a few days later? Herndon is too close to D.C....and the spending habits from the politicians seep to ALPA. Burning money.
And don’t get me started on the golden parachute pensions that ALPA brass get. And full health coverage for themselves and family until they die. This is on top of whatever package they get from the airline they belong to.

Basically all ALPA membership took massive pay and benefit cuts the years 2001-2011 (and some have a valid arguement they are still under a pay cut )...yet ALPA MANAGEMENT didn’t take any cuts during that time.

That includes the staff member at each MEC.

Its amusing to see how ill-informed the whiners are regarding what they are whining about. Don't let facts stand in the way of good story.

Why do national officers get pensions and lifetime medical? For a “volunteer “ to represent us it seems like a pretty sweet compensation package.

How much of our budget goes to this? I don’t mind the staff as they have a purpose, I really don’t understand why we overpay for a national officer group.

I am pretty skeptical about this. Most airline pay is way up since 2005. I bet ALPA revenues are booming. I would like to see a graph of revenues over time.

Pay is more important than demographics. Every senior captain that retires is replaced by another senior Captain - all at 12 year pay. The pay differential on the NB is minimal. A 12 year 737 guy makes about 275 this year. With the 4% raise that is the same as a 7 year guy in 2019. Pay seems to be have a much bigger impact than demographics.

Do you have any actual revenue numbers or is the decreasing revenue just a hunch?

Plenty of fat to cut at ALPA National starting with the ridiculous Pension of the President. Any decrease he takes while serving should be matched so he comes out even, that’s it. A DB is pretty insulting considering most of us lost ours.

Scoop

Who says there needs to be any cuts? With the rise in wages over the last few years, let’s take a simple look at what expenses are and see what actual dues rate gets Alpa to cover these expenses. Then you take that percentage and add .2% for contingencies. What dues rate would that yield?

Denny

And most of these officers are senior captains and the last ones who need it. Lets instead donate it to a gofundme for Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos to buy a new Lambo...

Why does anyone in ALPA national get a pension when a HUGE majority of it's union members do not? Why not just fund their retirement and have the same medical as if they were at their airline? President is on track to make 640k this year...

I have wondered about this every time we get a pay increase... I’m at Alaska, and ALPA at both Virgin and Alaska was running fine with a budget in place... post merger all pilots received a pay increase that is noticeable and significant.. yet we did not receive a reduction in dues required even though everything ALPA was running fine on the old budget. Where does the extra money go? More filet and top shelf liquor for new hire dinners.?

I am obviously missing something.

Careful everyone- you’re walking on thin ice here. flytolive is going to attempt to discredit your criticism of upper ALPA management with an claim that you are whiner and lack knowledge.

Yeah that does seem pretty excessive all around. Not even close to "the troops eat first/servant leadership" model, which is ok I guess. But that seems extremely out of balance.

It’s friggin ridiculous. I would love to see some changes at National, the way it is now most of the guys that go there seem to be more concerned with setting themselves up for the future then improving ALPA. In my opinion this helps attract the wrong guys and gals.

I’m sure some folks have great intentions but how many are only concerned with their own well being? How many ALPA national presidents have gone back to fly the line at their respective airlines?

Scoop

Right to work and other political influencing is done through the PAC not (because legally we can't) through dues. If you want to impact politics you must donate above and beyond your dues. Dues have nothing to do with political operations and are used for association business.

Oy vay....

...oi vey. Am I wrong? In the context of dues reduction, this has nothing to do with politics or influence. Until all our members have the same benefits of our national leadership there’s room for reducing dues. The contracts of the last few years have increased the revenue beyond what is necessary. Each new leader we anoint goes on to create their own empire. We are the training ground. Why is it these guys never return to flying? You know the job they so wish to claim as theirs but never do.

Yes, you are wrong in that if 'right to work' happens for private enterprises then dues revenue will decrease making reserves in the MCF, OCF, OF et al helpful, to say the least.

Ever wonder why Dave Behncke moved ALPA headquarters from Chicago to DC? The job of ALPA Int'l officers is a bit different than flying the line. And it is hard to imagine how ALPA Int'l could have done any better over the last ten years, but is there anything easier than for we pilots to ***** and complain even when they reduce the dues?

Do you know which ALPA national presidents have returned to fly the line again? I would like to see a list of those who returned and those who simply moved on. Seems like most just use it as a stepping stone to “greater things.”

Scoop