Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 2708917)

Interviews never stopped, just went to one day per week vs. four.
Interviewed yesterday and it's about to spool up.

Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 2708917)

Interviews never stopped, just went to one day per week vs. four.
Interviewed yesterday and it's about to spool up.

Originally Posted by Auburngrad2007 (Post 2711281)

Can someone please explain how Delta wants us military guys to count "other" time. Im getting different answers from several people who were hired.

Any info is appreciated.

Originally Posted by Kjazz130 (Post 2711360)

Other time does not count. Don’t include it.

Originally Posted by Auburngrad2007 (Post 2711281)

Can someone please explain how Delta wants us military guys to count "other" time. Im getting different answers from several people who were hired.

Any info is appreciated.

Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 2711379)

Not everyone will agree with this.

Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 2711379)

Not everyone will agree with this.

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2711394)

what i did:

Keep track of when you were the A code and count all of the 'other' time when the A code.



They hired me.

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2711394)

what i did:
Keep track of when you were the A code and count all of the 'other' time when the A code.

They hired me.

Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 2718362)

Are you saying that you logged PIC time when you somehow had an A-code and logged Other time?

If so, I would highly recommend not doing this, as it is totally dishonest. If you are not in the seat (ie you're logging Other time) then someone with a J code (in command during certain periods) is the PIC, not you. Put another way, if you fly a two-seat airplane, and both seats are occupied, one of those two pilots is the PIC, not someone logging Other time.

Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 2718362)

Are you saying that you logged PIC time when you somehow had an A-code and logged Other time?

If so, I would highly recommend not doing this, as it is totally dishonest. If you are not in the seat (ie you're logging Other time) then someone with a J code (in command during certain periods) is the PIC, not you. Put another way, if you fly a two-seat airplane, and both seats are occupied, one of those two pilots is the PIC, not someone logging Other time.

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2718365)

Yeah that's not how it works in AMC
I've never once seen anyone J coded.


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Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 2718430)

To reiterate tunes’s post, this is not correct information for AMC crews. There was only one A code per order, and that pilot was on the hook for everything, so nothing dishonest about logging PIC for every minute of flight time when you were the A code, whether you were the PF or in the bunk.


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Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2718438)

Huh...we did it numerous times in the strat air world...especially on long trips or exercises. Allowed currency and experience to be spread around rather than having the "A" code in the seat for every takeoff and landing. Orders simply had an annotation that designated on which legs the "J" code pilot would be in command.

Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 2718446)

Except pic requirement is sole manipulator of flight controls according to the FAA I.e you can’t be in a bunk

Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 2718446)

Except pic requirement is sole manipulator of flight controls according to the FAA I.e you can’t be in a bunk

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2718458)

On the C5 we sent crews on the road with 1 A code. Often 1 Aircraft Commander and 2 First Pilots for 24 hour duty days.

Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2718556)

You must have been west coast. East coast used the "J" code with some frequency, especially for exercises like JRTs and JRXs.

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2718557)

100% east coast. Never saw the J code and I got there the first time in 2010.

Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2718561)

Ahhh, a youngster. 😊 1991-2012 for me. It was done regularly, especially before the GWOT (or whatever we call it these days), when you had ACs/IPs/EPs flying together. Accepted way to share the wealth on a trip, especially in the ANG.

Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 2718520)

Except you are incorrect.

Except, that you are incorrect. If you read the actual FAR...

§ 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.

(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.

(c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under paragraph (b) of this section shall, upon the request of the Administrator, send a written report of that deviation to the Administrator.

(Approved by the
Office of Management and Budget
under control number 2120-0005)

If you are the A code in an AMC aircraft (and there is no J code) the FAA sees every minute you log as PIC.

Originally Posted by FAR 61.51

(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time.
(1) A sport, recreational, private, commercial, or airline transport pilot may log pilot in command flight time for flights-
(i) Except when logging flight time under §61.159(c), when the pilot is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated, or has sport pilot privileges for that category and class of aircraft, if the aircraft class rating is appropriate;
(ii) When the pilot is the sole occupant in the aircraft;
(iii) When the pilot, except for a holder of a sport or recreational pilot certificate, acts as pilot in command of an aircraft for which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted; or
(iv) When the pilot performs the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a qualified pilot in command provided—
(A) The pilot performing the duties of pilot in command holds a commercial or airline transport pilot certificate and aircraft rating that is appropriate to the category and class of aircraft being flown, if a class rating is appropriate;
(B) The pilot performing the duties of pilot in command is undergoing an approved pilot in command training program that includes ground and flight training on the following areas of operation—
(1) Preflight preparation;
(2) Preflight procedures;
(3) Takeoff and departure;
(4) In-flight maneuvers;
(5) Instrument procedures;
(6) Landings and approaches to landings;
(7) Normal and abnormal procedures;
(8) Emergency procedures; and
(9) Postflight procedures;
(C) The supervising pilot in command holds—
(1) A commercial pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate, and aircraft rating that is appropriate to the category, class, and type of aircraft being flown, if a class or type rating is required; or
(2) An airline transport pilot certificate and aircraft rating that is appropriate to the category, class, and type of aircraft being flown, if a class or type rating is required; and
(D) The supervising pilot in command logs the pilot in command training in the pilot's logbook, certifies the pilot in command training in the pilot's logbook and attests to that certification with his or her signature, and flight instructor certificate number.
(2) If rated to act as pilot in command of the aircraft, an airline transport pilot may log all flight time while acting as pilot in command of an operation requiring an airline transport pilot certificate.
(3) A certificated flight instructor may log pilot in command flight time for all flight time while serving as the authorized instructor in an operation if the instructor is rated to act as pilot in command of that aircraft.
(4) A student pilot may log pilot-in-command time only when the student pilot—
(i) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft or is performing the duties of pilot of command of an airship requiring more than one pilot flight crewmember;
(ii) Has a solo flight endorsement as required under §61.87 of this part; and
(iii) Is undergoing training for a pilot certificate or rating.
(5) A commercial pilot or airline transport pilot may log all flight time while acting as pilot in command of an operation in accordance with §135.99(c) of this chapter if the flight is conducted in accordance with an approved second-in-command professional development program that meets the requirements of §135.99(c) of this chapter.

Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 2718520)

Except you are incorrect.

Except, that you are incorrect. If you read the actual FAR...

§ 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.

(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.

(c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under paragraph (b) of this section shall, upon the request of the Administrator, send a written report of that deviation to the Administrator.

(Approved by the
Office of Management and Budget
under control number 2120-0005)

If you are the A code in an AMC aircraft (and there is no J code) the FAA sees every minute you log as PIC.

Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 2718599)

a) How is the PIC exerting his responsibility and authority as to the final operation of the airplane from a place other than a pilots seat?

b) During an in flight emergency requiring immediate action, how is the PIC executing that action and then actually the person deviating from any of these rules if he isn't in the seat?

c) How is the PIC that somehow deviates from these said rules going to word the writeup of that deviation as he is not in the seat when the deviation occurs?

Does the A-Code in your scenario need to be in the seat during takeoff and landing? If yes then why? What about other critical phases of flight, like airdrop, AAR, low-level, formation? Is it ok for him to be logging other time then also?

Seems shady to me. I'm personally not interested in trying to explain the logic of logging other time as PIC time to Capt X during an airline interview. Glad it worked out for you, I wouldn't offer that as sage advice to anyone else.

Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 2718599)

a) How is the PIC exerting his responsibility and authority as to the final operation of the airplane from a place other than a pilots seat?

b) During an in flight emergency requiring immediate action, how is the PIC executing that action and then actually the person deviating from any of these rules if he isn't in the seat?

c) How is the PIC that somehow deviates from these said rules going to word the writeup of that deviation as he is not in the seat when the deviation occurs?

Does the A-Code in your scenario need to be in the seat during takeoff and landing? If yes then why? What about other critical phases of flight, like airdrop, AAR, low-level, formation? Is it ok for him to be logging other time then also?

Seems shady to me. I'm personally not interested in trying to explain the logic of logging other time as PIC time to Capt X during an airline interview. Glad it worked out for you, I wouldn't offer that as sage advice to anyone else.

Originally Posted by flyingmau5 (Post 2718748)

Anyone know if things are going a little slower than normal at Delta? Interviewed a few weeks ago, got the cjo but not given a class date. Can anyone chime in?

Originally Posted by flyingmau5 (Post 2718748)

Anyone know if things are going a little slower than normal at Delta? Interviewed a few weeks ago, got the cjo but not given a class date. Can anyone chime in?

Originally Posted by Diesel Hawg (Post 2718750)

Probably going to be a bit mau. I interviewed/received CJO in June and haven’t heard a thing yet.


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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2718583)

Fighter pilots don’t have this issue

#AMCProblems

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2718791)

Folks that interviewed early May just got put into 7 Jan 2019 class.

Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 2718900)

What was the interview cutoff for the Jan 7 class?