You’ve read the crowd wrong Trip, we’re not cowering in fear of his negotiating prowess. We’re simply ****ed off that one of our own has volunteered to make it his new mission to ensure we make as little as possible.

Trip is all about trip, just doing what he always does.

What if Trip IS RD? Finkle IS Einhorn!?!

Laces out, Dan!

How many pieces of silver for this betrayal ?

Its a pretty low blow.

TD? GMAFB. He couldn’t last one term because people thought he was such a suck up to those guys, presentations took forever and missed the picture in his quest for affirmation. The only reason those concourses went our way was because of economics, not TD, RH or any of their policies.

It's a nothing burger. Get over it and go about your day. Have confidence in your negotiating team and the process

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I have confidence in our team and not actually worried it wrt to negotiating. But that's a completely different issue from what people are talking about here. Never mind that it's a crappy thing to negotiate against your fellow pilots using the skills you learned while supposedly defending them. There needs to be some kind of non-compete or some other prohibition for unions guys going on to work for the company in such a manner. Feel free to go use those skills in another industry, but not against your own pilots. It's absolutely nuts that it's not already a thing. It's a simple matter of ethics.

TD? GMAFB. He couldn’t last one term because people thought he was such a suck up to those guys, presentations took forever and missed the big picture in his quest for affirmation. He did absolutely nothing to REDUCE the numbers of RJ’s. The only reason those concourses went our way was because of economics, not TD, RH or any of their “work”.

The fact that you think this tells me a lot about your character as a person… and as a union “brother.”

You’re having a busy day, hitting all the sites. Of course, you’re not the only one. Coin or affirmation, which one?

At least we know which negotiating team has your confidence.

So, he's a worthless negotiator and now he's on the other team. Sounds like a win for DALPA.

[QUOTE=Gunfighter;3351431]So, he's a worthless negotiator and now he's on the other team. Sounds like a win for DALPA.[/QUOTE

Was referring to TD, former scope compliance member” ( didn’t last long).

LOL... Good thing you get paid to be a pilot and not the "Character Police"

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I’m hearing he’s looking solely for reasonableness and that they know they will take a loss on this but it can’t be a bloodletting. If we’re just gonna demand hundred percent raise and stamp our feet nothings going to happen. I hope our negotiators are reasonable while the same time holding strong on the very serious advantage in our direction right now.

Also, apparently since his term was completely identified as during the “Moakie” era, accordingly he should be considered a terrible negotiator who gave up everything and this is a massive win to have such a negotiating loser on managements side.

Maybe he’s a spy for us who knows.

At least he's wearing the right jersey. He pretty much negotiated for management when we started blowing up SCOPE back in the day. Then we were moaked into making him a national officer as a reward. :rolleyes:
We are our worst enemy.

If a single word in section 1 is changed it will be his fingerprints on it. Fake levelers, more outsourcing, false trades for aircraft retiring anyway etc.

If you don’t think that changing coats for money is slimy and low, well that’s on you.

Let's not lower expectations, the numbers we need to just keep up with inflation now being in year two without a raise are going to be very large. Maybe not 100% but day one if we don't get close to 15% then we are already behind the curve. Not to mention retro and now with inflation at 7%, we need a very large raise just to break even. So a large ask is not unreasonable at this point. I hope all of us stomp our feet and not move one inch if we don't move the needle in our favor when it comes to scope.

Where did you hear this?

Objectively look at what the situation is. Do you want to negotiate against an outsider who hates pilots, a bonehead who doesn’t understand our contract, or somebody who likes pilots and has actually advocated for them for decades? Just because he’s on their side now doesn’t mean they’ve activated darkmode on a robot. I’ll judge on the next few months, not jumping to conclusions yet. They can still pay him a salary AND we can come to an agreement that is good. This might increase the pace of negotiations.

I love the nostalgic admiration. Moak would be proud.

He is negotiating for the company's interests AS A COMPANY AGENT. What are you trying to say here?

Maybe the black cloak wearing guy says, “That’ll never pass the memory rat, it’s a waste to propose” before they propose. Or maybe brings a sense of why the union proposed something to the company. Or maybe he’s just there to inflict maximum pain while laughing his way to the bank.

Moak has nothing to do with what’s in front of us.
Really?

I’m watching, but my paranoia is a lot lower.

He was Moak’s SCOPE sales agent. The company wants something in section 1, he is tasked with getting it. He has intimate knowledge of the ALPA resources and responses.

No ****

///filler

And the status members elected Moak. So what? He worked with many other MEC chairs just fine (at a much higher capacity). If anything he has heard all the criticism of scope and what we’re upset about. Name someone else in management that can articulate our position better.

Exactly my point.
Why waste time trying to negotiate for something the pilots aren’t going to give up? This expedites the negotiation.

Maybe we’re talking past each other - I’m not giving the guy a pass, but I’m not on auto-condemn either. I’m a little more optimistic and will wait and see.

Do you really think he’s on your side? :confused: :eek:

I love this.

My god, did we just become best friends? More Ace Ventura lines, please!