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53x11 01-16-2019 04:11 AM

I'm not privy to the set-up they're using but I can surmise. I'm curious why they upload the pairings into iCrew before the bidding solutions are even run. I'm sure it's to simplify things on their end. I would think they could upload the pairings into NavBlue without them being uploaded to iCrew. It's so easy to see the solutions as they run and see what trips I'm (or others) are getting. To keep it truly unknown until posting awards, would require something along the lines of:

1. A separate server, with either intranet access blocked, or no access at all, or:
2. Not loading the pairings into iCrew until after the awards are posted.

As each solution (run) is processed, it assigns names to rotations. If you're online, there is a way to see the process unfold. They'd have to do something like the above mentioned to keep it unknown until the publishing of awards. The pairings being uploaded to NavBlue and iCrew and the visibility of the names being assigned during the solution process tells me from a programmer view all I need to know.

Bottom line, I get what I get in the end, but the 0's and 1 side of me is curious! :D

SayMach 01-16-2019 04:17 AM

Thanks guys. You have renewed my faith in this forum by answering a question with a real answer and not demeaning or berating in the process. (But dang it, now what can I get upset and complain about after you gave the company an excuse for late schedule releases?!)

ChecklistMonkey 01-16-2019 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2743859)
Exactly. If there were issues with the 717, they could run everything else first. Then do the 717 when the bid closed. Oh well, the As are out at least.

Choice A) work 4 days including both days of a weekend and get the bids done early for all but the 717.

Choice B) work two days and have the weekend off, get the bids done early but later than normal for everyone.

RJ4LIFE 01-16-2019 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by 53x11 (Post 2743954)
This is just for the curious.

There's a way you can see the trips it is assigning as it makes it's runs. I counted at least 5 runs on the B side. The final run occurring after the union looked it over I'm guessing. What I've seen is, sometimes the last trip or two in the month may change from run to run, but the first part of the month is usually pretty much the same each run. It gives you a very good idea of the exact days off you'll have.

Here is the bad grammar version for those who want to have at it::D

They is a way you's guys can see the trips it is assignen as it makes it's runs. I cownted at least 5 runs on the B side. The final run okurring after the union looked it over I'm gessing. What I done saw is, sometimes the last trip or too in the month may change from run two run, but the first part of the munth is usualie pritty much the same each run. It gives you very good eye-dea of the eggsact days off you'ns will have.

How do you view these runs? Through NavBlue?

53x11 01-16-2019 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by SayMach (Post 2743982)
Thanks guys. You have renewed my faith in this forum by answering a question with a real answer and not demeaning or berating in the process. (But dang it, now what can I get upset and complain about after you gave the company an excuse for late schedule releases?!)


To give you an example of the solutions: The first solution it ran for me, it had me just below the LCW minimum. Actually, the first two solutions. It tried to swap one trip for another but it wasn't enough, so it ran another solution.

53x11 01-16-2019 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by RJ4LIFE (Post 2743984)
How do you view these runs? Through NavBlue?

Thru iCrew

DWC CAP10 USAF 01-16-2019 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by 53x11 (Post 2743987)
Thru iCrew

Do you just keep trying to click on future schedule?

53x11 01-16-2019 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2743991)
Do you just keep trying to click on future schedule?


No, but it does require some fast clicking. LOL Seriously. The solutions run very quickly. You have to be online at the right time and click fast!

crewdawg 01-16-2019 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2743973)
They once released the schedules in batches of two or three runs. It was also much easier to backdoor your schedule early. They did however put out over and over again that schedules were never final until posted in DBMS. Despite the above they were inundated with phone calls and slammed on forums when a category was rerun and schedules changed prior to posting in DBMS. Seemed often to be someone claiming they ran out and spent 10 grand on a vacation they can’t change. They got tired of it.

All of this!

Herkflyr 01-16-2019 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by 53x11 (Post 2743994)
No, but it does require some fast clicking. LOL Seriously. The solutions run very quickly. You have to be online at the right time and click fast!

Is that really worth wasting your time on?

53x11 01-16-2019 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2744012)
Is that really worth wasting your time on?


Waste depends on one's preferences. It's not something I lose sleep over. If I am not busy and at home when the solutions run, I look. Purely because I'm a computer geek. I'm also a fanatical cyclist, avid outdoors-man too, etc.. So waste of time depends on ones personal preferences. When the solutions run, they happen fast. It's literally just a few minutes of my time.

Like I said in an above post, bottom line, I get what I get. :D

BigHitterLlama 01-16-2019 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by 53x11 (Post 2744018)
Waste depends on one's preferences. It's not something I lose sleep over. If I am not busy and at home when the solutions run, I look. Purely because I'm a computer geek. I'm also a fanatical cyclist, avid outdoors-man too, etc.. So waste of time depends on ones personal preferences. When the solutions run, they happen fast. It's literally just a few minutes of my time.

Like I said in an above post, bottom line, I get what I get. :D

I wondered if that’s what your screen name was, good one.

tennisguru 01-16-2019 09:30 AM

B's are out.

sMFer 01-16-2019 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2743430)
Same.







UAL - Close on 12th. Capts due by 0001 on the 16th, FOs 0001 on the 18th

AAL - Close Noon on the 13th. Due by noon on the 16th.



SW - Close on 9th. All awards posted by 11th. Blank lines awarded by 19th.


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LumberJack 01-16-2019 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by sMFer (Post 2744230)
SW - Close on 9th. All awards posted by 11th. Blank lines awarded by 19th.

I do miss that about line bidding.

gloopy 01-17-2019 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 2744606)
I do miss that about line bidding.

Right. Obviously that's way faster. PBS is a hyper dymanic engine that goes up and down and back up and down again probably hundreds of times. Many pilots simply bid parameters, like no reports before 12:45PM for example. A first run may give them trips that meet that, but then lower seniority pilots bid something that causes trips to be removed from senior pilot's lines and given to them as long as the senior criteria can still be met, etc.

The product that comes out the other end absolutely needs to be checked. That's more than worth the "price" of not getting it 5 seconds after bids close.

clear4approach 01-18-2019 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 2744210)
B's are out.

All the A's abandoned this thread as soon as their results were out! 😂

ChecklistMonkey 01-18-2019 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by clear4approach (Post 2745481)
All the A's abandoned this thread as soon as their results were out! 😂

The captains here that would complain about bids not being out are selfish and entitled?! Shocking....

OOfff 01-18-2019 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey (Post 2745507)
The captains here that would complain about bids not being out are selfish and entitled?! Shocking....

I’ll put the over/under at you being called a snowflake at 3.5 posts

Abouttime2fish 01-18-2019 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey (Post 2745507)
The captains here that would complain about bids not being out are selfish and entitled?! Shocking....

Snowflake!

I prefer to be addressed as “captain my captain”

notEnuf 01-18-2019 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish (Post 2745520)
Snowflake!

I prefer to be addressed as “captain my captain”

That's great. I prefer to address captains as "seat fillers." :D I'm curious what your covert call sign is. :eek:

:)

Hank Kingsley 01-18-2019 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2745565)
That's great. I prefer to address captains as "seat fillers." :D I'm curious what your covert call sign is. :eek:

:)

So, you'll introduce yourself as Captain Seat filler? Maybe someday.

GucciBoy 01-18-2019 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish (Post 2745520)
Snowflake!



I prefer to be addressed as “captain my captain”



Seniority Inhibitors


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Abouttime2fish 01-18-2019 02:16 PM

I’ve also been known to respond to “dumb-a**” but I just blame it on the mad dog!

notEnuf 01-18-2019 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2745658)
So, you'll introduce yourself as Captain Seat filler? Maybe someday.

Could have been some time ago, but yup. I'm an employee not a demi-god. I'm glad we have pride and ego but some have more than enough and others are humble beyond belief. Which do you think people like working with? The 88 and QOL prevent my addition of a stripe.

:D (this an emoji, it indicates sentiment)

notEnuf 01-18-2019 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish (Post 2745672)
I’ve also been known to respond to “dumb-a**” but I just blame it on the mad dog!

I can not, will not put my head in that noose. Not even in a year, not just to steer. Not as the caboose, that's just obtuse. I will not fly it here nor there, I will not fly it anywhere. I do not like it hot, I do not know how it got through DOT. I do not like it present tense I do not like in the fence. I do not like skating on ice, I do not like it at any price. I will not blank the rudder with a clam, It can not go to Amsterdam. I WILL NOT, Sam I am.

gatorbuc99 01-18-2019 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2745811)
I can not, will not put my head in that noose. Not even in a year, not just to steer. Not as the caboose, that's just obtuse. I will not fly it here nor there, I will not fly it anywhere. I do not like it hot, I do not know how it got through DOT. I do not like it present tense I do not like in the fence. I do not like skating on ice, I do not like it at any price. I will not blank the rudder with a clam, It can not go to Amsterdam. I WILL NOT, Sam I am.

*slowclap*

Big E 757 01-18-2019 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2745512)
I’ll put the over/under at you being called a snowflake at 3.5 posts

Snowflake? The guys/Girls that would call him a snowflake left this thread after the A’s were done.

clear4approach 01-19-2019 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2745775)
Could have been some time ago, but yup. I'm an employee not a demi-god. I'm glad we have pride and ego but some have more than enough and others are humble beyond belief. Which do you think people like working with? The 88 and QOL prevent my addition of a stripe.

:D (this an emoji, it indicates sentiment)

Usually the best Captains to fly with start our first leg together by saying something along the lines of: "The only reason I'm in this seat and you're not, is because I got hired before you."

crewdawg 01-19-2019 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by clear4approach (Post 2745931)
Usually the best Captains to fly with start our first leg together by saying something along the lines of: "The only reason I'm in this seat and you're not, is because I got hired before you." I buy the beer!

Fix it for you.

clear4approach 01-19-2019 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2745940)
Fix it for you.

Thanks, my memory was fuzzy!

notEnuf 01-19-2019 04:58 AM

“I do everything by the book.”

He’s probably right, it’s the book he got 25 years and 2 airlines ago.

DWC CAP10 USAF 01-19-2019 05:53 AM

I know it’s going to be a good trip when the Capt tell me he will do the walk around when it’s my leg to fly.

ChecklistMonkey 01-19-2019 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2745978)
I know it’s going to be a good trip when the Capt tell me he will do the walk around when it’s my leg to fly.

This. For the win. It happens so little I often have to ask them to repeat what they said just to make sure I wasn't dreaming.

Hank Kingsley 01-19-2019 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2745775)
Could have been some time ago, but yup. I'm an employee not a demi-god. I'm glad we have pride and ego but some have more than enough and others are humble beyond belief. Which do you think people like working with? The 88 and QOL prevent my addition of a stripe.

:D (this an emoji, it indicates sentiment)

In command school is pass/fail, open book test. No problem.

Hank Kingsley 01-19-2019 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2745949)
“I do everything by the book.”

He’s probably right, it’s the book he got 25 years and 2 airlines ago.

Might be time to fly with your favorite captain every trip.

OOfff 01-19-2019 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey (Post 2745981)
This. For the win. It happens so little I often have to ask them to repeat what they said just to make sure I wasn't dreaming.

Really? In over three years here, I’ve only had two guys tell me they won’t do it.

Iceberg 01-19-2019 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2745989)
Really? In over three years here, I’ve only had two guys tell me they won’t do it.

Are you requesting they do the walk around or are they just declaring it’s your job to do?

OOfff 01-19-2019 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 2745998)
Are you requesting they do the walk around or are they just declaring it’s your job to do?

Everyone just says “I’ll get the walk around on your legs.”

Maybe it’s a base culture thing

Iceberg 01-19-2019 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2745999)
Everyone just says “I’ll get the walk around on your legs.”

Maybe it’s a base culture thing

That could be it. I have heard that offer a few times but the vast majority snag a walk around here and there.


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