Originally Posted by Humboldt (Post 2928987)

I ask because the day after CQ is Christmas.

Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish (Post 2929091)

Umm, yes but.... if you had training then a flight you would need the 30 in 168. I don’t think it works the other way around.

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2787224)

I am trying to figure this out and am getting more and more confused (my natural state as of late :D).


I started SC last Sunday at 1000 and have been on duty straight through with no 30 hour break. I was just assigned another SC for tomorrow (Friday) at 1000 and was curious as to how long they can use me.


FAR 177 says this:


“30-in-168” Before beginning any reserve availability period (RAP) or FDP, a pilot must have received
at least 30 consecutive hours free of duty within the 168 consecutive hours (seven 24-hour periods)
immediately preceding the start of the RAP or FDP.

So do I go back to 30 hours prior to starting SC at 1000 on Sunday, which would be 0400 of last Saturday and go forward 168 hours?



If so, starting at 0400 on Saturday and going forward 168 takes me until this coming Saturday at 0400. What confuses me is the verbiage "... preceding the start ...." Do I need to be finished by this time or can I start a trip up to this time?

I think I am good to start a duty period tomorrow since I meet the 168 hour look-back but could not fly on Saturday. I guess they could fly me somewhere tomorrow and DH me home on Saturday.


I called DALPA earlier today- got the voicemail and they blew me off all day. :(



I called scheduling talked to two different schedulers, neither of which could give me drop dead time but both assured me the WOPR would flag any illegal assignment.





Any FAR 117 Ninjas out there?


Scoop

Originally Posted by mataron (Post 3716924)

Does sick time count as rest for 30/168? Since it is "free of duty," I'm assuming that to be the case. However, I received a voicemail from scheduling saying that I was denied a GS due to 30/168 violation and "less than 10 hours of rest before report violation." I have picked up GS rotations with less than 10 hours to report on my off days, but I have not done so on a long call day. Is there a difference for the 10 hours of rest before report?

20OCT: PR 0000-0202, LC 0203-1459
21OCT: SC 0900-1800
22OCT: SICK
23OCT: SICK
24OCT: LC 0000-1159 (Called in well at 0530)
25OCT: SC 0600-1500. Assigned 27OCT 1-day trip.
26OCT: LC day. At 0800, Received voicemail saying GS that departs at 1000 (in two hours) is denied, and I will be put in rest at 0830 making me legal for 27OCT 1530 report 1-day trip reserve assignment.
27OCT: Report at 1530 for 1-day trip reserve assignment.

I'm kind of lost on this one. I would have thought that sick time is free of duty and qualifies as rest for 30/168. Additionally, I thought I had 10 hours of rest before report (even though on long call). Could someone please shed some light on this case? Thank you for your help.

Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3716955)

You cannot be actively on LC and be awarded a GS containing an FDP unless it is at least 10 hours from award to report in order to be legal. You can be awarded a GS that reports in 1 minute while on LC if it starts with a DH-only duty period.

As to the 30/168, sick should be considered rest since you have no obligation to the company. Having said that, scheduling can assign you rest whenever they want even if it doesn’t make sense.

Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish (Post 3716991)

Sick has some funny affects on green slips. I’ve run into it once before where I was not awarded a GS because had I flown the trip I sicked out for, I would not have been legal. I think it can be awarded, you’re just put at the very back of the line. Basically trying to prevent you from sicking out, then calling in well a GS over your original trip. You really need to dig into PWA or talk to a real expert on that one.

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3717009)

This is correct.

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2787224)

I am trying to figure this out and am getting more and more confused (my natural state as of late :D).


I started SC last Sunday at 1000 and have been on duty straight through with no 30 hour break. I was just assigned another SC for tomorrow (Friday) at 1000 and was curious as to how long they can use me.


FAR 177 says this:


“30-in-168” Before beginning any reserve availability period (RAP) or FDP, a pilot must have received
at least 30 consecutive hours free of duty within the 168 consecutive hours (seven 24-hour periods)
immediately preceding the start of the RAP or FDP.

So do I go back to 30 hours prior to starting SC at 1000 on Sunday, which would be 0400 of last Saturday and go forward 168 hours?



If so, starting at 0400 on Saturday and going forward 168 takes me until this coming Saturday at 0400. What confuses me is the verbiage "... preceding the start ...." Do I need to be finished by this time or can I start a trip up to this time?

I think I am good to start a duty period tomorrow since I meet the 168 hour look-back but could not fly on Saturday. I guess they could fly me somewhere tomorrow and DH me home on Saturday.


I called DALPA earlier today- got the voicemail and they blew me off all day. :(



I called scheduling talked to two different schedulers, neither of which could give me drop dead time but both assured me the WOPR would flag any illegal assignment.





Any FAR 117 Ninjas out there?


Scoop