Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2793093)

Doubtful the carrot of HI was primary sway for anyone who bid the category on an AE. The opportunity of joining a growing fleet, and the multipliers offered in any new category opening were likely equally attractive considerations. The MD awardees likely arrived as a default resulting from other priorities, considerations, and opportunities.

one sales pitch unknown is how large the LAX320 category will eventually become. characterized as 'substantially' larger than the initial staffing level. Given HI has limited traffic to occupy what will end up being a fleet predominated by 321NEOs economically suited to longer stage length service, it is possible the category will grow substantially to staff longer mid continent, transcon, and central America service.

Then again.....they may just fly the time out of ATL.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2793281)

Agreed, the HI carrot probably wasn't the big draw. The financial upside that can be captured in a new category was a bigger attraction. Also being part of a growing fleet has some appeal. I still think the potential for redeye flying, like the 73N and 7ER categories was overlooked by quite a few bidders.

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2793349)

I would much rather fly a red eye than a 0600 push.

Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2793516)

Seems redeyes are a unavoidable reality in this job. Domestic. HI. International and ULH all have them. IDK but maybe the 717 and 220 are exceptions.

Trick is to find what works for your body and circumstances. Does the west coast redeye land at 0230 or 0730 body time? ATL 3 day European trips were personally untenable, yet a 3.5 day ATL-HNL with long all nighter back were a walk in the park. Everybody is different. And what works for you when you are 35......may not work at 65.

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2793349)

I would much rather fly a red eye than a 0600 push.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2793533)

Yep.

For me the difference is being able to sleep when tired versus managing sleep. Asia and SA trips I sleep as much as needed whereas Europe you have to manage it with a nap. I am still looking for that ******* that pours sand in my eyes on anything Europe at noon.

Originally Posted by Thrust Normal (Post 2793698)

I love Europe flying, but that noon nap wake-up is the worst...

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2793700)

Never flown intl. What's the noon nap wake up?

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Originally Posted by bluejuice71 (Post 2793703)

It’s when you wake up from your 3 hour nap at noon.