HND awards
 

Looks like we got PDX, SEA, ATL, DTW, HNL



RIP NRT SIN and MNL

Is that everything we asked for?

Good news!

Denny

We need more trash pandas

It's a good result for Haneda - but I'd expect there will be "adjustments" to other Pacific flying, including Narita.

It came down to a choice between p!ss alley and superstars. The clincher was when we lost the popcorn machine.

I think management had their hands tied.

Delta asked for SEA, PDX, DTW, ATL, and HNL x2.
Delta was awarded SEA, PDX, DTW, ATL, and HNL x1.

Coincidently, Delta currently flies to NRT from SEA, PDX, DTW, ATL, and HNL from the US (they also have SIN and MNL).

I honestly think Delta is going to just abandon NRT and shift those 5 flights over to HND with the new slots. I think the SIN and MNL flights will just go away. Delta is at a big disadvantage in Japan as they don't have a JV partner (While United has ANA and American has JAL). What do you think?

Call me ignorant, I've only gone through HND. What, if any, are the benefits for any airline to fly to NRT.?

5th freedom rights is all I can think of, and ever since Tokyo fixed up HND for big international operations, the 5th freedom rights aren’t the advantage they used to be, unfortunately.

Starship please....😁

i think you are 100% correct sadly

Not go away per se..... just offered through an ICN connection on our JV partner KL.

gone as in the destinations will not be serviced with delta crews.

Yes, somber fact indeed likely no more layovers at the firehouse or a sling at raffles during those layovers. Pretty fun destinations indeed.

Actually 'cash' panda. :)

Arent 3 of the awards serviceable by 330/330neo and even 767/5?
Dtw/atl i guess is likely 777/350 territory.
There are i think 35-330neos starting to arrive in near future.

I think by and large that order is to replaces 763ERs. Obviously not all 56 of them, but at least 35 that warrant upgauging. For now it's literally taking over their routes, not opening up anything new. My guess is 763s earmarked for retirement stick around to cover for 764 and 332/333 interior mod removal from service.

Same reason we fly to LGA and JFK, SFO and SJC, LAX and SNA, DAL and DFW, and DCA and IAD.

Surprise you left out your namesake market and HOU. :p

I don't think we (or anybody) do any long haul international out of LGA, SJC, DAL, or DCA but I can't find my paper time table pamphlet either so I guess I'll have to defer to your 21st century perspective. :rolleyes:

What time are the slots at? Narita at a good time is better than Haneda at some weird time making connections impossible in the US. Narita is also closer/quicker to get to than Haneda for millions of people living in northern Tokyo/Kanto. I don’t get the hate for Narita.

My guess is that some the NRT flights will remain as there is probably enough market to serve Tokyo with more than one daily flight....

While we (nor our JV/codeshare partners) don't do long haul intl out of SJC, I do know that Hainan flies to/from PEK with a 787 and ANA flies to/from NRT with a 787 and BA does LHR with a 787. Hmmmmm....I see a trend. 🤔

The slots are all good daytime slots. The Japanese government is currently encouraging the use of Haneda for Premium business routes and the use of Narita for leisure routes and by low-cost carriers. Delta HVCs(Who provide higher yield and the majority of our revenue strongly prefer Haneda, an airport not only much closer to downtown but more modern facilities. Narita is in the sticks. 18 minute drive to downtown from Haneda, 53 mins to Narita. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0a0646539e.jpg

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Narita could remain if there is enough leisure customers providing enough yield. Especially if there is enough demand to continue to MNL or SIN. I doubt it though. Seems more efficient to just add more capacity to Seoul until there is enough demand or the right aircraft(330NEO/797?) to warrant a direct flight from the USA.

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People don’t drive to the airport in Tokyo. From Ueno (one of the biggest train stations in the world in one of the biggest cities in the world) to Narita is 45 minutes. To Haneda is 40 minutes with a walking transfer. Look it up.

From a leisure travel standpoint I see where you are coming from and completely agree. When it comes to Business travelers, Delta HVCs in particular, Haneda is much more convenient, provided the time slots are daytime.

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Were gona hold on to nrt....for when hnd sinks into the bay.

It's better to diversify our Japan options for when Godzilla does a number on that place again.....

Godzilla is a a##hole.

You may have a different take if Mothra was coming after your city....

A little of this... a little of that...

have you ever been to either of these airports?

Both, why?

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because a very small amount of people that use those airports drive to them.

Our HVCs on business use taxi/private car as well as train. Train from HND to Downtown is 30 mins and a new line is being built to the international terminal in HND that will drop the time to 20 mins. Train from downtown to Narita is 1:04 mins. Time is money for the HVCs

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As usual, he has no clue what he's talking about.

You're right. Neither do the network folks running the most profitable airline in the world. Maybe you can send them a proposal on how NRT works better

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https://abrilsuperinteressante.files.../godzilla1.gif

It's the kind of thing marketing never takes into account.

Yeah...hopefully wont happen now with the GCAS system onboard. :)