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How does delta figure their “no cancellation” info they plaster everywhere? No less than 3 weeks ago, we brought in a jet from an intl trip, wrote something up (it was not a mx base), they shipped the wrong part to fix it and the outbound cancelled. It even said that on the app when I checked. About a week later I saw Delta’s big banner on the deltanet about “no cancellations for 100 days” or some such thing. Fake news?

I’ve seen the same thing. It’s one of those things I’ve quit worrying about but I’d love to know.

Extended delays do not count. MX issue that evening, move PAX onto another flight, and ferry the airplane next day under the same flight number. Tada! Never cancelled!

I know a captain that got called for a green slip to fly a jet from SEA to PDX and back empty both ways. I asked him why and he said that they needed to show completion for the flight number. That is how they get away with saying no cancellations!

Flew an empty airplane just to pick up flight attendants to make it a revenue flight. I think they said 48hrs after originally scheduled. The station didn't bother cleaning the plane or catering or dumping the lav. Apparently the FAs needed to be on board for it to operate as a revenue flight. No pax, they had all been accommodated over a day prior.

"Worlds Best Most Admired Airline" Ha.

Nothing but a house of cards filled with smoke and mirrors. Always has been.

The only thing that surprises me is that people are surprised to hear stories like this.

Oh look, ecam is mad at delta again

The government needs to modify its definitions of performance, they are incredibly wasteful, especially in the era of reducing carbon emissions.

You’re such an expert all things Delta (sarcasm). You’re unfortunate experience with Comair doesn’t make that so.


GP

Bitter and resentful is no way to go through life.

Tell us, Warren, when will this "House of Cards," fall?

Always check the fine print as well... many times it’s “controllable completion factor”. Lots of ways you could define what is/isn’t controllable.

As with anything, it's all about the definitions.

NSFW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZKUbzAdb7E

I’m surprised to hear it and I am still not sure if I believe it.

And end those asinine fake noise abatement procedures. The vast majority of the time they make zero difference. Its pre concieved nonsense from the straight pipe turbojet days where windows would break and fillings would fall out. Yet we act like stage 3+ turbofans thousands of feet above are somehow a noise issue when the actual decibels is an eighth of the school bus driving down the street or a weed wacker 12 doors down. :rolleyes:

Time for some straight up carbon shaming. #privlidge

Well in my neighborhood its the nightly gunfire.

I often wonder why care so much about noise abatement in places like SNY and SFO, but never at EWR at DTW. Hmmm.

:rolleyes:

I'm surprised they haven't enforced the compusory silencer law.

A silencer is only required if you shoot a mime. :p

So... That glass is not actually bulletproof.

I see wat you did there. Bra....voh. :)

For a while I worked for a company who did contracts for the FAA for noise abatement studies as part of their Part 150 Airport Noise Compatibility Planning. We used computer modeling to determine noise maps, using existing scheduled flights and aircraft types at that airport. A B737-200 was noisier than a B737-800 for example. Maps like this were developed:


https://image.nj.com/home/njo-media/...3d654656ac.png


We also modeled the departure tracks, or noise abatement tracks for the airports studied. Here at Newark for example, if you look at the departures to the south, you can see the turn westward just S of Elizabeth. Houses within a certain db level were purchased by the FAA and torn down, and houses further away received noise proofing.


Here is a link to the Newark noise maps: Final Noise Exposure Map Report - EWR Airport


While today's jets are quieter than older ones, they still make noise. Also, Part 150 studies aren't done very often, maybe every 10-15 years so the data to allow a change to a noise abatement procedure takes a while. The biggest issue is that changing a departure moves the noise from one set of people to another - it is very politically charged and generally can't get done. So the noise abatement procedures don't change.


Here's a list from the FAA of big airports and links to their noise abatement pages: https://www.faa.gov/airports/environ...exposure_maps/

I get all that. But in today's world of the carbon religion paranoia, the places that go ballistic the most about that are the same places that demand less efficient tracks for noise, and the noise itself is mostly perception. No "community" should have the right to regulate noise if it comes from a plane versus the same db from other sources.

The vast majority of the time now, if you hear a plane its barely audibile compared to school busses and mail trucks and garbage trucks and lawnmowers and weed wackers and sometimes even chirping birds. Nobody should be able to adjust ground tracks of planes for that just because they hear something they can eventually attribute to being an airplane because of stupid preconceptions from the 1970's.

It’s easy to claim no cancels when you make up your own metrics. Flight goes mechanical,it cancels and is ran the next day as an “extra section”. Still counts for CCF. They call no cancel days “brand days”

Good grief. I hope this isn’t that common. I’d love to know how much Delta spends on baloney like this.

It’s not how much they spend, it’s how much they make.

This is how they can say “we’ll get you there and 99.9999% on time” when they make the pitch to corporate clients. Think HVCs and revenue premium and this is a trivial expense for 15% more than the other guy for every seat we sell. They are actually doing it right. Now, how much they share with me... well that’s not right or at best TBD.

I guess the practice brings down the profit sharing a little, but if it attracts high end customers and replaces money taken by the "fly them empty" policy, who cares if it's kinda fake? It seems like I'm missing a big piece of the puzzle for as many pilots that are mad. Anyone see what I'm saying?

Well they cancelled a SDF to ATL flight yesterday. So much for 100%!

I’d argue that it actually increases the profits. They need those numbers and the NPS to point to in the sales department. Sales people are paid commission and target bonuses for a reason. It is a waste and seems counter intuitive though. The win/win is that someone was paid to fly the leg originally and then someone else was paid to complete the leg maybe even at double pay.

Yes, you are correct on the cost and I don’t like adding CO2 to the atmosphere unnecessarily but at least we are replacing JT8Ds with PW1500Gs.

Lol right. My DH flight tomorrow was just cancelled as well.

Do the 9E's count?

No, although they sometimes also tout their Connection carrier cancellation rate also

Which is totally bogus.

Commuting out of ORF just got hard. Every JFK bound RJ flight cancelled and half the LGA ones too.

I mean, they own edv and staff the c tower exec management with dl people. You put that much work in, wear the badge even if it's a little one.

IIRC the old EAL Shuttle advertised that if a flight oversold by even one, they would roll out a spare plane. Small loss on that flight, but big profit on revenue premium from “must get there now” HVCs.

I remember us rolling out a spare 72 when the first one filled up over at the MAT when we had the Airport Standby provision in the PWA for the Shuttle operation.

I guess sweep flights like the cargo boys have are out the question for the pax carriers?


GP

The ol' sleep till you're hungry then eat till you're sleepy QNY program.

And I am still convinced it was a violation of the Geneva Convention to put that damn Cinnabon right by the lounge (closet?) in DCA.