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Old 07-10-2019 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by waldo135
How many jobs have you had that if you were scheduled to work an 8 hour day and the company came and said “Hey, you have to work 2 more hours” you were potentially punished for saying no.
I guess all I can say to that is you have not worked much in the real world.
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Old 07-10-2019 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rooster435
Every job I’ve ever had. From washing dishes to unloading a truck at Kmart to flying for Uncle Sam. If my boss asked me to stay 2 hours extra for some reason and I said no thanks then there would definitely be ramifications.

What I’ve never had till now is a job where I could leave early and still get paid for work I didn’t do. All I have to do is fill out a form and talk to the duty pilot. I’ve done it more than once, it’s a total non event.
I've also been asked by my boss to work beyond the schedule at every job I've ever had.

But really, who cares if you are fatigued while washing the dishes? C'mon, so what if you are tired while unloading a truck at Kmart? And military flying? By definition we do things in the military that are unsafe, especially in combat.

But there is NO reason in civil airline flying to accept unreasonable risks like not being fit for duty at all times.
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Old 07-10-2019 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by waldo135
How many jobs have you had that if you were scheduled to work an 8 hour day and the company came and said “Hey, you have to work 2 more hours” you were potentially punished for saying no.
Most jobs. While the proximity of punishment may not be obvious....there will be a professional cost to not being open to going the extra step.
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Old 07-10-2019 | 09:19 AM
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I know a lot of us can’t accept this, but we are UNION worker bees, paid by the hour. How many hourly UNION jobs are expected to just stay late, without a premium compensation incentive?
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Old 07-10-2019 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by bluto13
I know a lot of us can’t accept this, but we are UNION worker bees, paid by the hour. How many hourly UNION jobs are expected to just stay late, without a premium compensation incentive?
Depends what their contract says. Ours says you can do it. That's how unions work
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Old 07-10-2019 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
Depends what their contract says. Ours says you can do it. That's how unions work
And the FAA says it’s our choice. Any expectation the company puts on the extension is just that, an expectation. Not binding in any way.
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Old 07-10-2019 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by UGBSM
I've also been asked by my boss to work beyond the schedule at every job I've ever had.

But really, who cares if you are fatigued while washing the dishes? C'mon, so what if you are tired while unloading a truck at Kmart? And military flying? By definition we do things in the military that are unsafe, especially in combat.

But there is NO reason in civil airline flying to accept unreasonable risks like not being fit for duty at all times.
We agree completely. If not fit make the call. Not sure what all this angst is about. There is a process in place, it’s not nothing but it’s not unreasonable.
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Old 07-10-2019 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I guess all I can say to that is you have not worked much in the real world.
In the real world these extra two hours would be paid at time and half.
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Old 07-10-2019 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rooster435
We agree completely. If not fit make the call. Not sure what all this angst is about. There is a process in place, it’s not nothing but it’s not unreasonable.
Its a process that shoudn't exist in the first place though. It exists as a deterrant. And its also an opportunity to testify against yourself since you have to justify what you shouldn't have to justify.
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Old 07-10-2019 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
In the real world these extra two hours would be paid at time and half.
Depending on the state and your job maybe or maybe not. If your saleried more than likely not. I never got a dime extra at my main college job.
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