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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2854116)

According to a MEC Scheduling Committee member, June set a record at Delta for system wide GSs. 8600ish was final number I believe. Previous record was 7900ish. Looks like company has decided pilots will take the extra flying vs hiring more. It's feeding season. If you got major capital expenses upcoming or expensive tastes, now is the time to eat! It's raining Green. ...

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8,600 in one month? That’s approx 290 each day. Or if divided equally, 145 Capt and 145 FO each day. Which would be 30 Capt and 30 FO each day at the top 5 bases.

I think your rumored number is grossly in error by an order of magnitude.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2855009)

Your experience was very different from mine. No one was flying GS’s on the 727. What everyone was doing is flying GSWC. Every GSWC awarded put another trip in the pot. We had numerous cancelations when the stack got to big. Operationally Delta was a mess with lots of canceled flights across the network even after reducing scheduled flights by 2% Those statistics on canceled flights were how the company prevailed in court. The 3 judge panel ruled that even though the union did not start and in fact tried to get pilots to end the no GS campaign they had a duty to control their membership and big fines would follow. The same thing happened at American and APA was fined over 50 million dollars.
The 49er’s mentioned were not by the way just pilots harassing other pilots. I know one pilot personally who simply wrote one email to a friend asking him to only GSWC. It was nicely written without any harassing tone. That one email got him sued for 1 million dollars.

Probably depends on your category and base. I did not see the rolling GSWC where I was but it seems in MCO, where I think you were, it was a big thing. From my perspective it was not not nearly that dramatic. I will agree that it did have the potential to get worse and spread. It was nipped in the bud.

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Originally Posted by KnotSoFast (Post 2856803)

I counted 25 in NYC on the 19th. So while not 30 each seat, it's not an order of magnitude off.

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Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 2856809)

I counted 25 in NYC on the 19th. So while not 30 each seat, it's not an order of magnitude off.

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But that extremely high number sustained every day in June? Still seems like way too high.

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Originally Posted by KnotSoFast (Post 2856803)

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8,600 in one month?

I think your rumored number is grossly in error by an order of magnitude.

Actually 8,600 is lower than what it actually was. It's significantly more than we had last June.

Go to the DALPA webpage - Committees - Scheduling. The very first document is "Assignment Green Slips 201906." It has the complete breakdown by base/seat/aircraft. It also as monthly totals all the way back to 1990.

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Originally Posted by p3flteng (Post 2855965)

I think this will drag out until guys start to get pizzed that it’s taken xyz years. Then they (I) will take matters into my/our own hands and stop going that extra mile....stop going downstairs for that stroller, stop saying goodbye to the pax, making those extra info pa’s, and never not once extend, and finally, stop picking up anything extra, or do anything but the minimum. That will eventually get the companies attention when enough guys are POed and feel and act that way.

We aren’t there yet, and I hope we don’t get there...I enjoy going to work, I enjoy working for the best airline imho. I don’t want that to go sour, it s really up to the company to keep this machine rolling, I will be glad and happy to do as much as I can to keep this big machine oiled and rolling.....
...but there is a timeline. I hope management realizes this and doesn’t poop away the goodwill we have or our competitive edge and pax loyalty.

I have heard this every three years for the last 30 years. “”The pilot’s goodwill, etc., etc.” Don’t let yourself buy into the hype. Most people will still get strollers, if that is their thing, even if they don’t get a 3% raise any time soon. JMHO

I do agree it will probably drag out for much longer than average - for many reasons. If it goes on for three years I’d look internally at the MEC leadership before I’d look at the company. Management is constant across the years in that they will always want a deal that is reasonable with a counter party that is willing to negotiate. Start down the 40% raise path - and don’t stray left or right - it gets pretty slow and muddy.

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Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 2856809)

I counted 25 in NYC on the 19th. So while not 30 each seat, it's not an order of magnitude off.

Don't forget to that any time DALPA mentioned green slips that they are referring to the number of GS duty periods, not trips. It is the only consistent way to measure them.

So those numbers are probably accurate.

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Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2856819)

Don't forget to that any time DALPA mentioned green slips that they are referring to the number of GS duty periods, not trips. It is the only consistent way to measure them.

Important distinction that is lost on most if they've never looked at the GS reports.

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Originally Posted by KnotSoFast (Post 2856812)

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But that extremely high number sustained every day in June? Still seems like way too high.

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The ALPA Greenslip/Assignment chart lists total number duty periods covered by Greenslip so one 4 day Greenslip would be 4 duties periods(for the most part). The total duty periods covered by Greenslip/Assignment for June was 8639, a company record. Sorry for the confusion

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If I picked up a GS through ARCOS and then an hour later got an IA call that would conflict with that GS are they obligated to give me the conflict?

How do conflict IA's and GS's go out? Do they specifically have to say it's a conflict or is it still a standard IA/GS that you just know has a conflict?