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FL370esq 09-11-2019 03:12 AM


Originally Posted by MJP27 (Post 2885093)
Eh. The 717 is the lowest paying jet

Not in SLC.....

ChecklistMonkey 09-11-2019 03:13 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2885071)
Eh. In SLC on the lowest paying jet. We need ATL captain positions.

Oh. So when you said "there aren't any CA positions," you meant, there are CA positions but none that you want. I guess more pay isn't your thing.

DWC CAP10 USAF 09-11-2019 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2885071)
Eh. In SLC on the lowest paying jet. We need ATL captain positions.

Being a Captain in ATL is a choice....just like commuting!😎

Turbo1 09-11-2019 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2885100)
You know, to some of us, Atlanta isn’t the center of the universe. We need wide body Captain positions. That helps everyone.

There are no wide bodies here. That's the problem

Fredturbo 09-11-2019 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2884549)
Fall of 2020 is the very earliest I see a vote and that’s not even likely. We have closed one section that had any real cost involved. Mediation is mandated in the contract this spring. It can take months to get a mediator assigned and set up a meeting schedule. There are often weeks or even months between mediated sessions.

Que sera, sera.........

clear4approach 09-11-2019 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2885100)
You know, to some of us, Atlanta isn’t the center of the universe. We need wide body Captain positions. That helps everyone.

I honestly didn't even know we had a base in Atlanta. 🤣🤣🤣

Denny Crane 09-11-2019 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2884549)
Fall of 2020 is the very earliest I see a vote and that’s not even likely. We have closed one section that had any real cost involved. Mediation is mandated in the contract this spring. It can take months to get a mediator assigned and set up a meeting schedule. There are often weeks or even months between mediated sessions.

Well when is the last time it's taken months for a mediator to be assigned to one of our Contract negotiations? I can't remember a time that it hasn't happened fairly quickly.

It seems to me that, with a company as large as we are and as important to the economy, they want to get a resolution as quickly as possible and try to set a fairly aggressive schedule. Now what happens during those first few meetings can set the pace. But initially I think they will get involved fairly quickly.

What happens in the long run could very well be a different story. I hope the Scope arbitrations are decided fairly soon and that the Arbitrator decides in the Unions favor.......heavily. Consistently violating the Contract and doing nothing about it will stand in our favor.

Denny

Crown 09-11-2019 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by bohicagain (Post 2884093)
Some one drank the koolaid. They also announced a june AE for the MD88 displacement mix up. Never happened.

They won't issue another AE this fall. More than likely they not have any more AE's this year. They will have a MOAB in January to do a 365 Bid. Send most of the pilots to training from Feb- May and then after summer.

I'm in on this bet. There will be another AE this year

gloopy 09-11-2019 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Crown (Post 2885337)
I'm in on this bet. There will be another AE this year

But there's not going to be a Super Bowl this year, so how could there be another AE?

RonRicco 09-11-2019 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2885293)
Well when is the last time it's taken months for a mediator to be assigned to one of our Contract negotiations? I can't remember a time that it hasn't happened fairly quickly.

It seems to me that, with a company as large as we are and as important to the economy, they want to get a resolution as quickly as possible and try to set a fairly aggressive schedule. Now what happens during those first few meetings can set the pace. But initially I think they will get involved fairly quickly.

What happens in the long run could very well be a different story. I hope the Scope arbitrations are decided fairly soon and that the Arbitrator decides in the Unions favor.......heavily. Consistently violating the Contract and doing nothing about it will stand in our favor.

Denny

I don’t see it taking too long to get a mediator assigned. The key will be the meeting schedule. For TA2, we went in with relatively few open items and they had experience with the previous MC. They were willing to set an aggressive meeting schedule due to those factors.

Compare that with groups that have gone in with a long laundry list of items that were unresolved and a MC or Pres (APA/Loyd Hill) that they feel is unlikely to negotiate, and the NMB will barely give you the time of day.

Now, this is not an absolute. If the company is the problem and they are stonewalling on every issue and we are the reasonable party involved, we get more time. On the other hand, if we are the ones that aren’t truly negotiating, they will have no problem letting us live under the current PWA.

All one needs to do is go back and look at the bargaining cycles of all the different pilot groups in mediation the last 15 years to see the trend.


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