I agree with your opinion.....

I don’t know, he has a valid point. I’m pretty new on property but I’ve talked to both CS and ALPA before about this issue. As a guy who lives just far enough from base to have to drive halfway to be in position when on SC, a LC assignment later on while still on SC doesn't absolve you of your SC responsibilities. If I drive home while on SC and I’m out of position and get a call (both sources said that’s perfectly legal) for an assignment and can’t make it in, I’m on the hook. I know this is different but the concept is similar, you can make a solid argument that you’d be fatigued in the morning for that LC assignment, IMO.

I don’t believe there’s anything that says he CAN’T or WON’T get called in that 2 hr window. If that happens then we’re o the hook, right? Like if we were out of position in anticipation of that future assignment.

I’m pretty sure that exactly nowhere in the reg does it say a pilot must rest. It goes to great lengths to say the pilot must report fit and ready(rested).

Exactly the reg is actually in our favor. If you are untested or unfit 117 says you need time off until you are fit for duty. Also that time cant be under 10 hours/8hrs behind the door.

8 hours sleep opportunity. It's unique to each pilot, but I can't just fall over on the bed and bounce out 8 hours later ready for the van. Mine is more like 9.5 hours behind the door.

Be very careful about telling the company you are not rested based on where you live. The book answer from the company would be that you proceed to your domicile and spend the night. They are not going to entertain different rules for every pilot based on where they reside.

I’m not picking up what you’re putting down, at least not completely. If you’re suggesting fatigue call due to commute issues being a “that’s on you” deal, I’m with you there and that’s not where I was going with my post. My point was in the scenario StartngOvr spelled out, IMO he has a legit claim for Option 3.

Obviously not for most people most of the time. But the company expects you to show up for an absolute max duty day each and every time its legal. When you "say it out loud" like the poster in reference did, it makes it sound asinine. Which it is. But that's literally what we're expected to do even though its biologically impossible.

We really need to stop spreading the myth that "8 hours behind the door" is legal. It is not.