Originally Posted by gloopy

Our AF partner flies 4 mainline flights a day from CDG-SVO and KLM flies 2 mainlines and Aeroflot does 3 including with a 330. Our Aeroflot partner flies more from AMS too. AF flies an A340 to Cairo. You're right about Turkish Air as they've absolutely flooded that market. Some of those markets have a LOT of capacity from our partners and with as large a travel market as the US is, it seems like some of those markets more than supports an ER's worth direct.

It would be interesting to see the total "team" ways to get to all the places we used to fly to as well as to see the number of pax to/from the US for those markets. Major spreadsheet ninja stuff there and I'm not going to do the grunt work but I'm sure its available. Obviously not all would be justified with international directs. Its also notable that if any could be supported by us direct but is instead funneled through partner hubs, its almost always less block hours that we then share for that market (US-CDG only etc) vs the more block hours we would have done ourselves (US-SVO etc) and then add up the totals.

It seems like the "re-kitting" on those routes to funnel through CDG/AMS is more of a win for AF/KML pilots than us. Obviously we wouldn't carry huge losses on some of those markets that wouldn't support a direct, however it seems like some of them would especially seasonally. Instead we split those shorter stage lengths with AF/KML (and maybe Alitalia on and off who knows) and then they get 100% of the additional block hours/ASKMs/etc to our former destinations.

Kind of makes it seem like we should get a greater than 50% deal versus the "half" that's always defined as the absolute rock bottom of the allowable floor in the nonexistant window becaue we'll never break through the top of that window anyway.

Originally Posted by Planetrain

Yep, they go to better destinations. As far as making money, AirFrance 2018 net income was only 409M Euros, (double 2017’s).

Originally Posted by Trip7

I wonder if somewhere in the suburbs of Paris an AF pilot is typing vigorously on a forum about how without Delta they could fly direct to Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Denver

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Originally Posted by firstmob

With all the company hoopla about new intl service there was not one new destination in Europe or one new departure city from the US!

Originally Posted by Planetrain

Yep, they go to better destinations. As far as making money, AirFrance 2018 net income was only 409M Euros, (double 2017’s).

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy

And worse destinations. Anyone seen AF/KLMs footprint in Africa!? Yeah, they can keep those Rwanda layovers.

And anyone ever looked up what Air France pilots top out at? Just a quick search gave me approx €156,000 which is around $170,000. That's TOP END CAPTAIN. Less than most of our FOs make. Granted, it was just some quick and dirty searching but I'd love to be proven wrong on that.

So I guess in the end, drinking beer on the 24 hour company paid vacations in cool destination is neat and all... But if I have to chose, I'll take our pay rates and use my profit sharing check to pay for a meaningful vacation in places I WANT to go when I WANT to go there with people I WANT to be there with. In the meantime, I'll learn to love London/Paris/Amsterdam/Inchon/Shanghai/Beijing. That all assumes of course jobs/hours are protected.

Originally Posted by Kjazz130

But they get to give half of that to the government for free healthcare, college and social security. Sounds like a great deal to me. 😂

Originally Posted by OOfff

I give half to the government and don’t get any of that. It really does seem like a good deal 🤷🏽*♀️

Originally Posted by Trip7

And better destinations is quite subjective. Air France only flies to 12 cities in the US. I wonder if somewhere in the suburbs of Paris an AF pilot is typing vigorously on a forum about how without Delta they could fly direct to Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Denver

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