Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 2895369)

Sounds like you didn't have great parenting growing up. There's only one person that could take care of you best and that's yourself, never rely on anyone else.

Originally Posted by buckleyboy (Post 2895464)

Clearly you haven’t the foggiest idea of what this career used to be like.
I only do because I was raised around this career (and somehow still ended up in it!), and I continue to hear the same stories from those still hanging on and reliving the glory days in what remains of their mind.

Edit: forgive me if that comes across as dickish. I was trying to type matter of factly, but failed miserably. Maybe my wife is right... :D
And forgive me if you were tongue in cheek.

Originally Posted by NavyFlyer (Post 2895180)

I think we can all agree that life could be worse. We are all pretty blessed, and Delta is a great company to work for.



But timing and luck play a big part in ones QOL and career in this business. That colors one’s perception of how good/bad things are.



Likewise, the longer one works in this industry, the more they’ve seen (I.e. scope violations, the farming out of WB flying to our JV partners, furloughs, bankruptcy, pay cuts, QOL gives, etc).



Life happens, and most pilots on the line get it. But while times are good (and make no mistake, they are VERY good), experienced guys would like some contract gains while the company is making money hand over fist. They’d like some of that WB flying moved back in house. They’d like some money invested back INTO them, because they gave a LOT so that this company could survive. They’d like to feel respected, and that management understands what they gave up so that we could be successful today.



I haven’t flown with anyone that expects a pension again, or is loudly proclaiming that Delta owes them anything. But their goal is to educate and inform us younger guys what can happen, and how decisions that management and the pilot group (DALPA) make, have huge impacts on our lives. They’d like a lot of gains that would bring us closer to where we were in the past. They’d like to make this job better for all of us, because they’ve sacrificed a lot along the way to get us ALL here.



Keep being happy with our company, but listen and learn. There is value to listening to both sides, avoiding negativity, but also negating overly positive unicorn notions (basically every Trip7 post). The truth is always somewhere in the middle and life is colored by ones past experiences.



And Trip7, being a 34 yo Captain hired in 2014 does mean your life is pretty good. You ARE blessed and should be happy. But if you flew in the right seat of a WB, you’d hear (if you listened) about lives drastically altered by this company’s past decisions. That’s why they take your puppy’s and rainbows approach pretty incredulously. They’ve seen and experienced more than you have in your short (and blessed) career.

Originally Posted by buckleyboy (Post 2895464)

Clearly you haven’t the foggiest idea of what this career used to be like.
I only do because I was raised around this career (and somehow still ended up in it!), and I continue to hear the same stories from those still hanging on and reliving the glory days in what remains of their mind.

Edit: forgive me if that comes across as dickish. I was trying to type matter of factly, but failed miserably. Maybe my wife is right... :D
And forgive me if you were tongue in cheek.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2895676)

I remember the glory days well. Things like 19 days on call for reserve. Every on call day a 24 hour shortcall with two hours to report. Rerouted from a 1 to a 7 day trip with zero penalty to the company. 9 hour overnights from block in to report. All-nighters ending with a 2 hour sit to fly another leg. Deadheading in middle seats in the last row of coach between two chain smokers on 5 hour flights. 18 hour 4 day trips. 12 hour 3 day trips. Reserves paid less than line holders for the same trip. No pay protection for any trips dropped prior to the 25th of the month regardless of the reason. Ah the good old days!

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2895676)

I remember the glory days well. Things like 19 days on call for reserve. Every on call day a 24 hour shortcall with two hours to report. Rerouted from a 1 to a 7 day trip with zero penalty to the company. 9 hour overnights from block in to report. All-nighters ending with a 2 hour sit to fly another leg. Deadheading in middle seats in the last row of coach in smoking between two chain smokers on 5 hour flights. 18 hour 4 day trips. 12 hour 3 day trips. Reserves paid less than line holders for the same trip. No pay protection for any trips dropped prior to the 25th of the month regardless of the reason. Driving to the airport on off days to bid. International trips up to 12 block hours with no crew rest. 4 hour orals! 1800 a month the first year even if they flew you 100 hours. Coat and tie to non rev. Double breasted jacket all year round even when 120 in PHX. Ah the good old days!

Originally Posted by buckleyboy (Post 2895712)

Sailing, you and trips’ mentors were likely still crappin’ yellow in diapers and I wasn’t even a thought in my parents plan...who were also crappin’ yellow at the time. Hit or miss if they were wearing diapers, though.

But you are right that times have changed. Something are better, something are worse.

Frankly I wish the coat and tie were still required for nonrev...and passengers treated the flight as if it were too.

Originally Posted by buckleyboy (Post 2895712)

Frankly I wish the coat and tie were still required for nonrev...and passengers treated the flight as if it were too.