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Vincent Chase 10-10-2019 09:29 AM

Green Slips vs Hiring
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-d...-idUSKBN1WO2KK

Record GS in lieu of hiring. Good for those 40K who got double pay, but how does this shake out in the future?
I'm all for GS, but when it comes at expense of other pilots not being able to drop a trip on an important family event, how does that help QOL?

Hank Kingsley 10-10-2019 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Vincent Chase (Post 2901498)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-d...-idUSKBN1WO2KK

Record GS in lieu of hiring. Good for those 40K who got double pay, but how does this shake out in the future?
I'm all for GS, but when it comes at expense of other pilots not being able to drop a trip on an important family event, how does that help QOL?

Blasphemy!

GuardPolice 10-10-2019 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by Vincent Chase (Post 2901498)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-d...-idUSKBN1WO2KK



Record GS in lieu of hiring. Good for those 40K who got double pay, but how does this shake out in the future?

I'm all for GS, but when it comes at expense of other pilots not being able to drop a trip on an important family event, how does that help QOL?


Isn’t there a loose inverse relationship between GSs and QOL? When I got hired 5ish years ago GSs were largely only available in most bases to the senior pilots but I was able to manipulate my schedule almost every month to improve it. Fast forward to this past summer and I was hounded multiple times daily for GSs and even with good seniority, moving things around was tough at times.

So, based on one pilot's little sliver of experience, while hiring will help QOL, GSs will have to take a back seat for some.


GP

ChecklistMonkey 10-10-2019 10:28 AM

If anything, this pilot group as a whole broadcasted loudly and clearly that money takes precedence over quality of life. That was the single greatest lesson the company learned this summer; throw money at them and watch them fight over it.

theUpsideDown 10-10-2019 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey (Post 2901539)
If anything, this pilot group as a whole broadcasted loudly and clearly that money takes precedence over quality of life. That was the single greatest lesson the company learned this summer; throw money at them and watch them fight over it.

... I mean, sorta, and then they retire early. Early retirements and GS's are a little more tied together than anyone thought. You're gonna lose more people than you planned by a lot you keep handing out double bucks. My old man did the same thing, he had a number in his head, when he hit that number he punched out.

I think this is a pendulum, it swings this way a little bit, in 3 yrs no one will know what a GS is or how to get into arcos. At least I hope I'm right... Otherwise, jeesh

OOfff 10-10-2019 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey (Post 2901539)
If anything, this pilot group as a whole broadcasted loudly and clearly that money takes precedence over quality of life. That was the single greatest lesson the company learned this summer; throw money at them and watch them fight over it.

If people want green slips, let them have as many as they want. I’ve never been forced to pick one up.

ChecklistMonkey 10-10-2019 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2901558)
If people want green slips, let them have as many as they want. I’ve never been forced to pick one up.

That isn't the point, is it?

notEnuf 10-10-2019 01:18 PM

Increased GSs go hand in hand with reduced schedule flexibility and time off. Seniority in seat will be more important for those who covet QOL and the ability to decide how to spend their time and the value of it.

Iceberg 10-10-2019 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2901558)
If people want green slips, let them have as many as they want. I’ve never been forced to pick one up.

Green slips are available because there aren’t reserves. Reserves aren’t available because they already were assigned trips. They already were assigned trips and there aren’t any available because the staffing is low. If the staffing is low there’s limited ability to move trips and adjust a schedule after PBS award. Nobody has said they are forced to take green slips, they’ve said schedule flexibility is limited.

TED74 10-10-2019 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 2901744)
Green slips are available because there aren’t reserves. Reserves aren’t available because they already were assigned trips. They already were assigned trips and there aren’t any available because the staffing is low. If the staffing is low there’s limited ability to move trips and adjust a schedule after PBS award. Nobody has said they are forced to take green slips, they’ve said schedule flexibility is limited.

Save your breath. Neither side of this debate listens to the other. It would be funny if it... weren't?


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