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Trip7 01-10-2020 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by Banzai (Post 2954590)
Maybe the company's Section 23 proposals were a complete non-starter, and well beyond the "zone of reasonableness" for our negotiators, but management is hoping that a mediator will side with them anyway.

That is a possibility. We will find out soon enough

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Waggy122 01-10-2020 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by Banzai (Post 2954590)
Maybe the company's Section 23 proposals were a complete non-starter, and well beyond the "zone of reasonableness" for our negotiators, but management is hoping that a mediator will side with them anyway.

Correct me if I’m wrong but siding with one side would be the role of an arbitrator and not a mediator.

Denny Crane 01-10-2020 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2954500)
The hurry was that if the next step at the table was a response to our openers delivered in Dec on the money sections. By filing now they delay having to put any of those positions out until after next summer. As I posted before I don’t think they want those positions reaching the pilot group before summer.

Obviously there will be a delay......but how much of delay will it be? I know you've mentioned the NMB and the process of assigning one is time consuming. But if I recall correctly you said the same thing last contract but the mediator was actually assigned very quickly. Do you really think it will take until after next summer to be assigned a mediator? I think it will be much sooner than that.

Denny

DALMD88FO 01-10-2020 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Waggy122 (Post 2954602)
Correct me if I’m wrong but siding with one side would be the role of an arbitrator and not a mediator.

Yep that's what I said earlier but in my best animal house voice "don't stop him he's on a roll"

sailingfun 01-10-2020 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2954513)
Why do you not ask to see management’s position, too?

They have not put out a position to see on most of the important items. The union can and should publish managements positions on the items they have discussed. It’s highly unlikely management will release a position on those sections not discussed at the table outside of negotiations. In fact I have never heard of that happening.

sailingfun 01-10-2020 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2954625)
Obviously there will be a delay......but how much of delay will it be? I know you've mentioned the NMB and the process of assigning one is time consuming. But if I recall correctly you said the same thing last contract but the mediator was actually assigned very quickly. Do you really think it will take until after next summer to be assigned a mediator? I think it will be much sooner than that.

Denny

We will see. Our positions were not far apart last time so the NMB probably saw a opportunity to get it done quickly. That is not the case today.

sailingfun 01-10-2020 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Waggy122 (Post 2954602)
Correct me if I’m wrong but siding with one side would be the role of an arbitrator and not a mediator.

The sole purpose of the NMB and their mediators are to prevent interruptions to interstate commerce.

Banzai 01-10-2020 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by Waggy122 (Post 2954602)
Correct me if I’m wrong but siding with one side would be the role of an arbitrator and not a mediator.

This is true. It's just that some people keep talking about how our asks were so unreasonable that the company had no choice but to throw up their hands and ask for a mediator.

I wanted to counter with the fact that what the NN said about the company's Section 23 proposal was completely ludicrous. Absolutely out to lunch.

But we're the unreasonable party...

notEnuf 01-10-2020 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2954629)
The sole purpose of the NMB and their mediators are to prevent interruptions to interstate commerce.

Mediation is a required part of the process to progress to a TA or self help if we can't agree. We might as well get started now.

Denny Crane 01-10-2020 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2954637)
Mediation is a required part of the process to progress to a TA or self help if we can't agree. We might as well get started now.

Exactly this!

Denny


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