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-   -   Delta Mgmt requests mediator. (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/126553-delta-mgmt-requests-mediator.html)

tunes 01-10-2020 11:32 AM
Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2954444)
Here is a question for all.

Why did the company request to go to mediation at this particular point? Our contract calls for us to jointly apply for mediation in, what, less than 3 months? What’s their big hurry? I’m guessing this is more of a psychological play by the company to get pilots to question their union. Don’t fall for it.

Denny
my guess is they want to drag it out past summer and they feel this will do that.

Baradium 01-10-2020 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2954549)
it would have been foolish to publish this. What if we asked for a 10% pay raise and united gets a 14% pay raise....that would be shooting ourselves in the foot.

My personal opinion would be to go for united +$1 (so the egotistical delta pilots can still say they are the highest paid) and focus all the negotiating capital on work rules.
We can't all just sit around waiting for the other airlines to get their contracts to bargain off of. UAL pilots I've spoken to seem to think "wait for Delta" is their big plan and support it.

Trip7 01-10-2020 11:58 AM
I believe it's because the ask is out of the Zone of Reasonableness and they believe a Mediator confirming it to DALPA will restore productive discussions

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Baradium 01-10-2020 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2954561)
I believe it's because the ask is out of the Zone of Reasonableness and they believe a Mediator confirming it to DALPA will restore productive discussions

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The ask should be compared more with the pre bankruptcy contract than the current one. From the sound of it, the company's ask isn't anywhere near a zone of reasonableness itself.

Statements like this are embarrassing. You are actually fighting against our own negotiating strategy.

ERflyer 01-10-2020 12:21 PM
Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2954549)
it would have been foolish to publish this. What if we asked for a 10% pay raise and united gets a 14% pay raise....that would be shooting ourselves in the foot.

My personal opinion would be to go for united +$1 (so the egotistical delta pilots can still say they are the highest paid) and focus all the negotiating capital on work rules.
We’re not asking for a 10% raise.

If we’re asking for a 56% increase in retirement DC (16% going to 25%) PLUS the MBCBP lump sum, I will postulate that we’re asking for a 60% pay raise.

Trip7 01-10-2020 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2954570)
The ask should be compared more with the pre bankruptcy contract than the current one. From the sound of it, the company's ask isn't anywhere near a zone of reasonableness itself.



Statements like this are embarrassing. You are actually fighting against our own negotiating strategy.
I'm not fighting against anything. Just expressing my opinion. The opinion of the Mediator is what will count. Just like how many on the forum had their opinion of what baseline Japan flying was for the Korean JV, the Arbitrator had a different one. Time will tell but based on the past history of this Admin I believe the Mediator will side with management.

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PilotWombat 01-10-2020 12:30 PM
Originally Posted by tom3holer (Post 2954360)
Back in the early 70's a major captain made maybe $45k a year. TWA had an ad in Flying magazine back then advertising for pilots. It mentioned living in great locations and making $1million in your career. Now a half dozen or more line pilots for Delta made that last year!
For context, those numbers adjusted for inflation are roughly $300k and $6.6M. So pretty much what a "major captain" gets now working a normal line in a 22 year career.

I'm not really sure how that fits into your argument? I'm not trying to argue, I just don't understand what you're trying to say.

DALMD88FO 01-10-2020 12:32 PM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2954561)
I believe it's because the ask is out of the Zone of Reasonableness and they believe a Mediator confirming it to DALPA will restore productive discussions

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Maybe, maybe not. This is mediation not arbitration. It has no binding to it. We can still walk away. The company is trying to drag this out because this is the best economic environment to negotiate a contract ever. It does not hurt them to say let's pump the brakes and see what 6 months with Iran or the economy. I guarantee you that if some world event happened where bookings even went remotely down they would come running to the table poor mouthing.

DALMD88FO 01-10-2020 12:34 PM
Originally Posted by PilotWombat (Post 2954576)
For context, those numbers adjusted for inflation are roughly $300k and $6.6M. So pretty much what a "major captain" gets now working a normal line in a 22 year career.

I'm not really sure how that fits into your argument? I'm not trying to argue, I just don't understand what you're trying to say.
Just for giggles run the C2k numbers adjusted for inflation. (those numbers were just slightly lower than we have now)

Banzai 01-10-2020 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2954561)
I believe it's because the ask is out of the Zone of Reasonableness and they believe a Mediator confirming it to DALPA will restore productive discussions

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Maybe the company's Section 23 proposals were a complete non-starter, and well beyond the "zone of reasonableness" for our negotiators, but management is hoping that a mediator will side with them anyway.


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