Junior Captain
 

With the rumored AE coming out this week, any guesses to how junior the captains will go on this round?

where did you hear that an AE was coming out this week?

I’m just curious. Last I heard it was going to be late Feb. someone even predicted the date...Feb 30th. :-)

Rumors in training are mid january so likely this week or next.

Crew resources video on Skynet said on or about the 17th.

The last AE saw three people who were just under five years get a plane that wasn’t the 717/220 (320) at a base other than junior NYC (LAX) AO I guess a few more of those will happen.

717/220 around the 3.69 year mark is my guess.

Thanks, that keeps with their MO of posting the bid on Friday, right before shutting the lights off for the weekend. :)

Anyone that saw the video on skyhub see what kind of ae it would be? Lots of 330 and 350 and cap slots?

No hints were given. Just that it’s going to be one big one instead of two separate ones before summer.

Definitely out of seniority.

not this again :rolleyes:

12,000
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First really big AE since the Optimizer came into use prior to last summer. I’m guessing junior captains, particularly those in the cesspool that is currently NYC NB, take a hard look at how their lives might be improved by a 330 or 765 B position.

I agree WB FO will go more SR than NB CA will on the most optimized fleets.

Agreed. 90% of WB FOs can already hold captain on a NB.

not to beat a dead horse but at UAL, WB FO is more JR to any CA position. That's just simply down to work rules and the fact that our peers have many more high paying aircraft. So why do WB pay rates at Dal really matter?

Thanks for that. It brightened my day.

Nothing to see here, move along. The real story is about how it's raining Green in the NB categories.

UAL uses their WB fleet on lots of domestic transcon routes, similar to our use of the 7ER. The bottom (domestic) portion of the 7ER fleet is a new hire airplane at Delta. What is United's seniority on the International WB flying?

I wonder if this is to keep all the new hires over the next few months in NY through the summer

Does United’s 777 or 787 pay less for domestic flying?

According to their messge board, they have FO's less than 1 year on property going to the 777.

LOS layovers, here i come!

They still pay 777/787 rates to fly those transcons. Which last I checked was (352CA/240FO) United vs (296CA/202FO) Delta that's comparing what JR CA's/FOs can hold at DAL so no 76-4.... So basically a loss of 58k-38k a year, which as long as we keep getting PS we can make up. But we loose so much simply because we have less higher paying aircraft than our peers.

They also have global reserve which is a huge qol hit....

So do we, it's called a reroute...

What is global reserve? They can use an EWR reserve to cover a DEN trip?

False. I have buddies that are very senior WB FO’s that can easily hold NB CA at UAL.

Ask your ual buddies about it. From what I understand it's why a lot of people have been avoiding rsv on wb fleets (and why it goes so jr.). Have 3 days of availability but theres a 6 day trip? They can give it to you (vs being forced to do a greenslip here or breaking up the trip).

Basically you get a few days off a month that are hard days that they cant touch. 6 of em. But they can move the rest. No thanks to that .

That's my rudimentary understanding.

777 going down to 1st year guys at UAL. Great for them!


In 3 years on a WB, I've been rerouted twice. Once on a GS that got me home earlier than scheduled. Another time when DTW shut down due to being covered in a sheet of ice. We were notified before even getting ready and turn my layover from 24 hours in AMS to 48 hours. From chatting with my UAL buddies, global reserve is much worse. We want their WBs, but not their WB reserve rules.

One of those is an arguably simple fix in section 6. If UAL corrects to higher QOL reserve similar to ours, that'd be a pretty desirable fleet to fly.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say with these salary numbers, but comparing outliers to outliers, their 777 year-2 rate is $174, DL’s 767-400 rate is $165. Hardly a large disparity.

Comparing other outliers, how many 2-year captains does UA have? Delta also had a 4-month captain, but I’m not sure they got to keep their seat. All of the 2-year captains were able to hold on to a left seat as far as I know.

They have PS too you know. Yes, we have higher profit percent. But it's not like we grossed 14% more in PS than they did in 2019. I think theirs was close to 10%. And if they get paid 58k more in your example, then a few lower % could match match our PS sum total still.

maybe he was meaning something like this? This is from another thread..

“I was hired by delta and United in the same month several years ago. When I take my 777 pay rate and multiply it by 1.08%, it beats the 767 I could hold there multiplied at 1.16%, by $30/hour.”

Not even close. One of my best friends is about 30% on the FO list, 767/757 at EWR and he can hold Captain in many of UALs bases.


Just as we do, they have many “lifer” FOs who retire in right seat for QOL.


Scoop

I'm fairly certain that poster could hold 330/764 at DAL, so he's actually be a few bucks behind.

Ah could be. About how long is it to hold 330 at delta?

4+ years. Current junior is 1/16 hire.

When he was hired it was 2 years. It's currently about 2 years on the 764.

I realize that a few of you didnt understand me saying that to the most JR WB FO at UAL cant hold CA. That's why I said "WB FO is more JR to any CA position". Reading comprehension is key...

It’s become a cascading cliche on here that when anyone asks about junior captains, invariably the conversation pivots to WB B, and the mere mention of WB’s invokes comparisons to United. How about everyone stop caring so much what other people bid, and do the type of flying that appeals to you.

As is clear, easily understood writing.

May 2017 MOAB, junior 73N CA NYC was high 11k’s, NYC 320 low 12k’s, NYC 717 12.5 so guessing around the same numbers on this bid.