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BobZ 02-11-2020 05:42 AM

Those are federal workers you are talking about. Who face few of the economic circumstances of private sector union members. Least of which is their replacement by undocumented workers.

See....federal employment is the ONE place immigration and employment laws have been enforced over the last 30 years.

sailingfun 02-11-2020 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2974796)
Those are federal workers you are talking about. Who face few of the economic circumstances of private sector union members. Least of which is their replacement by undocumented workers.

See....federal employment is the ONE place immigration and employment laws have been enforced over the last 30 years.

They are federal workers but note how these changes were implemented. I would not state Trump dislikes unions but rather abhors them with every bone in his body. His dealings with unions while constructing projects reinforces that belief.

BobZ 02-11-2020 06:37 AM

His efforts to limit illegal workers undermining union labor speaks far louder than any potus of the last 30 years.

Not to mention what he has done to check the chinese.

TED74 02-11-2020 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2974836)
Not to mention what he has done to check the chinese.

How so? When you cede international leadership and withdraw you open a whole can of worms. If we continue on our current vector, I cringe to imagine how China will dominate in 10-20 years.

Exhibit 1: see latest news regarding military coordination with the Philippines. Just one little domino.

BobZ 02-11-2020 07:20 AM

Guess you missed the tier 1 trade agreement.

As with africa, failing economic states will dance with whoever brings the money.

Spudhauler 02-11-2020 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2974859)
Guess you missed the tier 1 trade agreement.

As with africa, failing economic states will dance with whoever brings the money.

if not for the current potus the US was already on the economic trajectory to be a subservient client state to the communist chinese.

Everyone needs to keep their politics to themselves.

House of Usher 02-11-2020 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2974770)
You need to provide context for why a strike was allowed. NWA management specifically requested access to self help and that there be no government intervention to prevent self help from either side. Technically the mechanics were locked out. Their only real hope was support from the pilots which did not happen.

Northwest made it clear it would declare a lockout if the mechanics union decided not to strike when a 30-day “cooling-off” period expired at midnight Friday. The company had boasted of having prepared for the past 18 months to launch a strikebreaking operation and had spent over $100 million to hire and house “replacement” mechanics and flight attendants. The airline lined up 1,200 nonunion mechanics, plus 400 vendor workers and 300 managers for a total strikebreaking force of 1,900.

If I remember correctly, a strike occurred because an impasse was declared. You are absolutely correct, NWA threatened a strikebreaking operation. The mechanics (and aircraft cleaners) set up picket lines and NWA carried through with the threat of replacement workers. Following that, NWA set a deadline for all striking mechanics to return; the cleaners were outta luck. Over the next few weeks, several of the mechanics did return to work. Yes, they crossed a picket line. However AMFA, their union, really did them a disservice. AMFA was full of bravado, slighted other NWA unionized groups, and at the end of the day mislead the mechanics. The airline was heading into bankruptcy and for some reason they still felt bulletproof. Once it became obvious the strike was crumbling, AMFA began reaching out to the other employee groups for support. "Um No" was the collective response. There are times when striking is the logical choice (ie- NWA pilots '98). This wasn't one of those times.

theUpsideDown 02-11-2020 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by House of Usher (Post 2975084)
If I remember correctly, a strike occurred because an impasse was declared. You are absolutely correct, NWA threatened a strikebreaking operation. The mechanics (and aircraft cleaners) set up picket lines and NWA carried through with the threat of replacement workers. Following that, NWA set a deadline for all striking mechanics to return; the cleaners were outta luck. Over the next few weeks, several of the mechanics did return to work. Yes, they crossed a picket line. However AMFA, their union, really did them a disservice. AMFA was full of bravado, slighted other NWA unionized groups, and at the end of the day mislead the mechanics. The airline was heading into bankruptcy and for some reason they still felt bulletproof. Once it became obvious the strike was crumbling, AMFA began reaching out to the other employee groups for support. "Um No" was the collective response. There are times when striking is the logical choice (ie- NWA pilots '98). This wasn't one of those times.

Unfortunately union leadership can sometimes be fatally flawed.

Shakinthefat 03-06-2020 08:04 PM

Haven’t heard from ALPA on their thoughts of Coronavirus pertaining to C20 talks.

Will this virus craziness have repercussions on C20? Will the company use this downturn to their advantage?

sailingfun 03-07-2020 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by Shakinthefat (Post 2991107)
Haven’t heard from ALPA on their thoughts of Coronavirus pertaining to C20 talks.

Will this virus craziness have repercussions on C20? Will the company use this downturn to their advantage?

We should be in serious discussions with the company on how to handle the massive pull down in flying that looks like will happen soon. We should be crafting the best solutions for the company and pilots. That would also put us in the best negotiating position for a contract when this virus has run its course and the panic ends.


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