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UGBSM 01-31-2020 10:56 AM

Spilled drink causes A350 engine shutdown
 
Oops, use those cupholders!

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a3...136434.article

dbrownie 01-31-2020 10:59 AM

“This is why we can’t have nice things”

Falcon20 01-31-2020 11:04 AM

That wouldn’t happen to a Douglas product. Probably because Douglas couldn’t figure out how to keep liquids on the outside of the jet.

TED74 01-31-2020 11:12 AM

Pilots will no longer be allowed to drink in the cockpit. And so we're fair, flight attendants also will be prohibited from hydrating whenever engines are running.

DWC CAP10 USAF 01-31-2020 11:21 AM

*cough* tray table *cough*

D B Cooper 01-31-2020 02:37 PM

https://youtu.be/ibfQX11aPmg
Airbus doesn't like it when you make a mess.

deltabound 01-31-2020 05:03 PM

Considering that
  • Red eyes and night flying are common and
  • caffeine consumption is specifically offered as a fatigue management strategy by many airlines
I’m a little surprised all airline manufacturers don’t make the center console a little more spill proof.

StartngOvr 02-01-2020 05:51 AM

It seems like dumb luck that it only affected one engine. Both engine controls in the same panel, right? It would follow that it could have happened to both at the same time. Yikes!


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Tailhookah 02-01-2020 05:56 AM

Not a place to be talking about this. Plus you guys don’t have the full factual story.

Adlerdriver 02-01-2020 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by deltabound (Post 2968661)
Considering that
  • Red eyes and night flying are common and
  • caffeine consumption is specifically offered as a fatigue management strategy by many airlines
I’m a little surprised all airline manufacturers don’t make the center console a little more spill proof.

How about don’t pass drinks over the center console. Not that difficult to have drinks passed to the left of the CA and right of the FO.
If you passed a drink over the center console and spilled it, that was a fireable offense at my old ACMI.

Jaww 02-01-2020 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2968903)
Not a place to be talking about this. Plus you guys don’t have the full factual story.

Is this sensitive information. Will the bad people start spilling drinks?

Tailhookah 02-01-2020 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2968917)
How about don’t pass drinks over the center console. Not that difficult to have drinks passed to the left of the CA and right of the FO.
If you passed a drink over the center console and spilled it, that was a fireable offense at my old ACMI.

Like I said. Not how it went down. Not even close. Just zip it.

partypilot1 02-01-2020 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2968917)
How about don’t pass drinks over the center console. Not that difficult to have drinks passed to the left of the CA and right of the FO.
If you passed a drink over the center console and spilled it, that was a fireable offense at my old ACMI.

It can be hard to get people to report mistakes when the company fires them. It seems they should make a policy if it was that big of a deal.

rickair7777 02-01-2020 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2968917)
How about don’t pass drinks over the center console. Not that difficult to have drinks passed to the left of the CA and right of the FO.
If you passed a drink over the center console and spilled it, that was a fireable offense at my old ACMI.

Obviously a necessary precaution in light of things. But how freakin hard is to make center panels waterproof? It doesn't need to be a submarine, just about as waterproof as a watch your wear in the shower.

I flew another plane that had this sort of issue in the past. It was well known, and it kept happening anyway (cockpit was a bit cramped).

graybeard 02-01-2020 09:57 AM

Fate is the Hunter!
ps Every airplane I have flown has this problem.

DeadStick 02-01-2020 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by graybeard (Post 2969054)
Every airplane I have flown has this problem.

I’m surprised you still have a job! You should probably stop using the center pedestal as a drink holder! :D

Karnak 02-01-2020 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2968949)
Like I said. Not how it went down. Not even close. Just zip it.

Do you think all of the relevant details will be shared with Delta pilots?

I'm very interested in any weakness, vulnerability, or situation that could lead to a system failure.

CBreezy 02-01-2020 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2968949)
Like I said. Not how it went down. Not even close. Just zip it.

Was it your drink?! Party foul!

badflaps 02-01-2020 06:42 PM

Simple... Co. issued "Sippy Cups." Your choice of logos, Hello Kitty or Strawberry Shortcake. G.I. Joe optional.

deltabound 02-01-2020 07:36 PM

Good reminder from The late Michael Crichton on the “Gell-Mann Effect”, and why to be highly skeptical of all reporting:

“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”
Michael Crichton (1942-2008)

ERflyer 02-01-2020 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by deltabound (Post 2969377)
Good reminder from The late Michael Crichton on the “Gell-Mann Effect”, and why to be highly skeptical of all reporting:

“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”
Michael Crichton (1942-2008)

So - the engine shut down and then the pilots spilled their drinks? Got it.

deltabound 02-02-2020 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 2969385)
So - the engine shut down and then the pilots spilled their drinks? Got it.

Hm. Perhaps I wasn’t clear.

You’re a pilot. You know a great deal about aviation. When you read a story about aviation, do you find yourself thinking “Boy, that’s some fine, insightful reporting?” Or do you mostly find yourself thinking “Wow, there are so many inaccuracies in that report that it was borderline criminal malfeasance?”

I find the second posit is far more common. That’s all. I’ve no idea what happened on that 350, but I took the bait and commented on it. In hindsight, there were most likely extenuating circumstances that add nuance that we will either never know, or will come out a year from now in a training aid.

RAH RAH REE 02-02-2020 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 2969385)
So - the engine shut down and then the pilots spilled their drinks? Got it.

Maybe it shut down and they were drinking Brawndo and they thought "Brawndo has what engines crave"

Iceberg 02-02-2020 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE (Post 2969524)
Maybe it shut down and they were drinking Brawndo and they thought "Brawndo has what engines crave"

Brawndo?! Those wide bodies get all the good stuff. No wonder NB A goes so junior.

notEnuf 02-02-2020 06:13 AM

My new capital venture... console condoms...

I just kept asking myself how do the french do it?

ERflyer 02-02-2020 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by deltabound (Post 2969487)
Hm. Perhaps I wasn’t clear.

You’re a pilot. You know a great deal about aviation. When you read a story about aviation, do you find yourself thinking “Boy, that’s some fine, insightful reporting?” Or do you mostly find yourself thinking “Wow, there are so many inaccuracies in that report that it was borderline criminal malfeasance?”

I find the second posit is far more common. That’s all. I’ve no idea what happened on that 350, but I took the bait and commented on it. In hindsight, there were most likely extenuating circumstances that add nuance that we will either never know, or will come out a year from now in a training aid.

Sorry. I was attempting sarcastic dry humor. Unsuccessfully apparently.

On the serious side, we know articles are inaccurate all the time. That said, something not good happened - as they do from time to time.

casual observer 02-02-2020 06:46 AM

Yeah, I heard there is more to the story.

Apparently, an Eskimo rights activist breaks into the cockpit with a gun. She says something derogatory about Seward’s Folly when the pilots notice the gun is just a water pistol at which time they proceed to mock and laugh at her for it. She’s like “You think that’s funny, you interloping dogs? Watch this:

Squirt, squirt.

Right into the crack of the engine 2 master switch which immediately flames out the right. The Captain (becoming less amused) sees her aiming for the number 1 switch and instinctively leans over the pedestal and takes the second blast to the side of the head while the FO is able to subdue the perp and secure the squirt gun.

Unfortunately, the gun had been filled with airplane water and the Captain has been quarantined until it can be determined he was not infected with anything from the attack squirt.

On a positive note, the FO greased the landing in Fairbanks and apparently has a date set up with the activist after her release. In his words, “She’s off the Crazy / Hot Matrix charts!”

Goes to show you. Never believe the first reports.

Aviator147 02-02-2020 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by casual observer (Post 2969572)
Yeah, I heard there is more to the story.

Apparently, an Eskimo rights activist breaks into the cockpit with a gun. She says something derogatory about Seward’s Folly when the pilots notice the gun is just a water pistol at which time they proceed to mock and laugh at her for it. She’s like “You think that’s funny, you interloping dogs? Watch this:

Squirt, squirt.

Right into the crack of the engine 2 master switch which immediately flames out the right. The Captain (becoming less amused) sees her aiming for the number 1 switch and instinctively leans over the pedestal and takes the second blast to the side of the head while the FO is able to subdue the perp and secure the squirt gun.

Unfortunately, the gun had been filled with airplane water and the Captain has been quarantined until it can be determined he was not infected with anything from the attack squirt.

On a positive note, the FO greased the landing in Fairbanks and apparently has a date set up with the activist after her release. In his words, “She’s off the Crazy / Hot Matrix charts!”

Goes to show you. Never believe the first reports.

this is excellent, end the thread here :D

Cicada 02-02-2020 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2969556)
My new capital venture... console condoms...

I just kept asking myself how do the french do it?

The French? They roll that baby inverted and wait till the last drops fall.

notEnuf 02-02-2020 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Cicada (Post 2969627)
The French? They roll that baby inverted and wait till the last drops fall.

They drink while on duty and alcohol evaporates quickly so...

SonicFlyer 02-02-2020 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2968949)
Like I said. Not how it went down. Not even close. Just zip it.

You sound like a lot of fun at parties.

Jaww 02-02-2020 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 2969700)
You sound like a lot of fun at parties.

Perfect wingman. At least he won’t spill on you for leaving with the fat one.

SideSticker 02-02-2020 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2968972)
Obviously a necessary precaution in light of things. But how freakin hard is to make center panels waterproof? .

This.
My cheapish smart phone can survive 30 min in the pool. The technology is available.

sailingfun 02-02-2020 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by SideSticker (Post 2969814)
This.
My cheapish smart phone can survive 30 min in the pool. The technology is available.

If you ever get a chance when they pull a panel during maintenance on the airbus take a look inside the console. Most home builds have a better standard of wiring.

The Dominican 02-02-2020 07:08 PM

Back in the day when we crossed a rain shower on the DC3, after we were.in the clear then it started raining inside!
Now get off my lawn!

JamesNoBrakes 02-02-2020 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2968903)
Not a place to be talking about this. Plus you guys don’t have the full factual story.

Well hopefully someone will spill all the juicy details soon!

cynicalaviator 02-03-2020 05:03 AM

Easy fix to this is to pass the drink over the outboard shoulder... Policy in place for years at many other airlines.

FMGEC 02-03-2020 06:21 AM

Ever spill a drink in the center console of a Miata? Same effect.

D B Cooper 02-03-2020 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2969929)
If you ever get a chance when they pull a panel during maintenance on the airbus take a look inside the console. Most home builds have a better standard of wiring.

It's a jungle in there.

notEnuf 02-03-2020 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by FMGEC (Post 2970073)
Ever spill a drink in the center console of a Miata? Same effect.

A miata has a center console? I thought you just wore kneepads so you don't bang knees with the passenger when you pedal. Be careful down shifting.


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