I’d be happy to see a BOS base. Fewer mid trip redeyes and 5am shows.

There will always be layovers there. All NB categories have layovers in every base with the same plane. Hopefully it'll reduce the super early departures (since locals supposedly love those).

Do you all anticipate a 320 base over 737?

yes. I think the company has stated it will be a 320 base first, with more aircraft added later

Amazing.... They had '76's there 35 years ago.... Full mostly.

321 194 seats
How many in the dump truck?

AUS/SAT is definitely a pipe dream at this point; we have all but given up on even making AUS a focus city anymore after AA has swooped in and eaten our lunch there. It would have been great but I just dont see it happening. Look how long its taking BOS to open after we have actually declared it a hub and followed through with a lot of growth. AUS is basically just served from the hubs and at this point I doubt we have the necessary capacity to try and compete with AA there or WN for that matter.

This is certainly my hope, being a native NYer; BOS would for sure pull a lot of senior pilots from NYC who live in the New England area. At only 5.5 yrs I can hold left seat on everything in NYC up through 7ER; 764 (I hate saying 765) and 330 remain super senior. Im anxious to see how BOS opening would change the seniority dynamic for NYC.

I agree. Delta spoke big about AUS for a long time, without ever adding any service to a non-hub. AA came in fast and actually acted. It’s a major missed opportunity in one of the fastest-growing cities in the country.

That said, I don’t think smaller 320 bases in non-hub cities with significant amounts of service would be completely unviable, particularly as our NB fleets consolidate. Crew resources has alluded to it before. I don’t know that we’ll ever see it with our current management team though.

Im in the same boat. Hopefully it will increase my BSE seniority in the left seat.

Any news on Boston?

It’s probable that there is a chance that management may decide to possibly open a BOS base sometime in the near to distant future. Open ended memo language suggests no new bases/categories until later next year.

Bottom of the barrel in the AL East. Probably won't make the playoffs

Lead singer is dead. NOT getting back together.

Based on the 330 flying in Boston now I doubt a 330 base. It's to easy to build 6 day trips through Boston and eliminate credit time for the NYC base by combining a long leg (ATH, TLV, FCO) with a short leg (AMS, DUB, LHR). 6+ day trips out of NYC have at least tripled since Boston expansion.

Pretty sure the lease has been signed for the ‘office space’, timing to be determined…

Before they will open a 330 base in Boston the flying has to support it year round. Currently there are plenty of 330 departures to support a base in the summer. Not sure about the winter.

FAs have been told FCO and TLV going year round next year. Assuming both are still on the 330 that exceeds the company requirements for a base (CDG and AMS being the other two).

The problem with those 6 day trips (that flight ops "leadership" refuses to learn) is that two six day trips are all that can be awarded to a line holder to meet the construction window, after that, they can't be added via WS, and any WB B halfway aware knows not to have 6 days of LC available with six day trips in open time. These were the primo trips to roll thunder this last summer, especially because many were broken into two 4 day trips and handed out as GS. Fourth floor spreadsheet ninjas know what's best though.

Shhhhhhhhhhhh

This is spot on

Any new updates on if/when BOS will be announced with what equipment will be first there?

Almost certainly the A320. Its been said consistently, and it also makes a lot of sense for networking, fleet flow and crew positioning and hotel savings.

Therefore it won't be the A320, and instead, at the last possible minute, it'll be whatever soon to go away fleet that's getting new interiors (764, 717, ER?) only to be closed a year or two later to generate the MD's necessary for another beloved 365 to provide the flexibility to power out of the very manning crisis that opening then closing a base caused in the first place.

Canihaz MIP?

So when is that AUS CP opening happening.

You might want to ask that on the AA forum.

Right? DL definitely got caught on the back foot for that one.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/americ...aribbean-cuts/

AA is now up to almost 50 non-stop destinations from AUS.

But hey, we really flexed our strength there by adding a couple of A220 flights to SEA and BOS.

At the NYC Flt Ops Town hall this week, BS said to expect BOS on the AE after summer of 23.

SBS
shiny base syndrome


How many years have we been hearing about a return of the BOS base? 10 at least. Most of the previous BOS folks are retired now.

Yes indeed, this reeks of "free beer tomorrow sign"

If/when JB decides that operating international from BOS and JFK won't work, then a BOS base will go back on a back burner faster than last weeks dinner.

A plethora of events could happen between now and the end of next summer (many of which haven't even been thought of yet) that could/would change this declaration.

Its not JB we’re worried about. It’s AA and their partnership with JB. AA flies 777s all day long out of JFK worldwide filled with JB customers. That’s who we need to keep an eye on. They’re doing it out of Boston too. JB is putting a few 321s into London to distract from the fact they have a full blown international operation via AA.

I have CJO's with AA and DL, and my main goal is to be BOS-based. I know no one has a crystal ball, but can anyone attempt to quantify their confidence in DL opening BOS this summer-ish?

For example, I've read that there's construction at Terminal A, that they've ID'd staff and the Chief Pilot, etc. Are there any other clues or indications?

I would like to go with DL, but unless DL makes BOS 'official,' I'd feel compelled to go with AA. The thought of telling DL 'TBNT' potentially only mere months from them announcing BOS is a bit nauseating.

Thanks in advance to anyone who's got some info/advice.

Well as stated above it was spoken by the head of crew scheduling that it would be a base after next summer. As we commented on, there’s a lot that can happen.

I suspect it will become a base as they don’t seem inclined to cede any market share from there and it’s a competitive focus not to mention jfk is almost back to full capacity so additional pond crossings may be supportable.

That being said choosing any airline solely on an adjunct base is generally risky. BOS will always be up the road from JFK so any disturbance to the force in the future could cause any airline to retreat to jfk with ample connectivity to Bos.

Free advice is worth what you pay, so take FWIW.

I’d say it is extremely likely. They were no-kidding going to do it before Covid, and had actually hired the Chief Pilot and leased space at BOS for lounge/CPO. The ONLY reason it didn’t happen was Covid. Now, the delay is due to the rebuilding of the staffing after Covid (whole other story), and not disturbing that until conversions start right after summer ‘23. As further evidence, the brand new 321-NEO’s have been heavily put on BOS routes for a reason…

It is so much more than just a desired outcome.There is a ton of revenue there, and the widget is going after it. BOS will happen, barring some new, unforeseen black swan like WWIII.

And as someone said, even if you have to drive to NYC for a short time, it will be worth it. Over a career, bases can and do shift, but I absolutely would not go to AA as a hedge for a BOS base at DL. Just my 2cents. Good luck.

I don’t know the timeline to fix the mess, but Delta passengers transitioning between our domestic and international gates in BOS know it’s awful. HVC neighbor friend recently making the connection there says he’ll never book that itinerary ever again.

So, they can only do so much in the current configuration and if they want to open a base there now, my hunch is it’ll be pretty persistent and unlikely to close once the operation is eventually smoothed out.

At this point, baring any near term black swans, I'd say it's fairly likely. There seems to be lots of people champing at the bit for that base to open. Either way, that username is awesome! I have a shirt with that on it. :D

Goodluck with your decision.

JB's international aspirations have nothing to do with this IMO.

There is and has been far more flying than needed to justify a base there for a while now. The problem has been too many redundant fleet types force multiplied by marketing's absolute dominance over flight ops. Every flight operated in or out of BOS has to be from a different equipment or different bases. That dilutes it so severely that bases easily as big as JB's bases there become radically less efficient.

But despite all that, its finally getting to critical mass where it justifies it despite the overlapping inefficiencies of a million BES's.

JB cleaned DL's clock in BOS for a long time. We gave them an entire terminal by building the billion dolalr Taj Mullin and abandoning the old one. That's the real reason JB initially pulled their red eye trans cons out of ATL; it was never DL and AirTran's subcontracted fre wars. It was JB seeing an opportunity to pounce and absolutely dominate one of the best domestic markets in the world while their competitors were collapsing on the Chapter 11 courthouse steps.

IMO DL's actual presence in BOS is far more important than any small ball hotel cost saving crew base. That said, it seems very likely it will be a crew base for pilots.

Anything new going on with opening a BOS base?

No. filler

surprise opening obviously incoming