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AirbusPTC 03-13-2020 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2997389)
Not panicky at all, I don't particularly care for the rebid, but it's not the end of the world either...I may go from 73 hour reserve line to a 72 hour reserve line. Other than that, the LAO seems like a win with little downside.

Exactly my point, doesn't affect you much so you don't care, and belittle those that do. Again, we should have had a vote on this.

gzsg 03-13-2020 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by C2078 (Post 2997299)
In good times the company wants pilots to bend over to make it work, in bad times the company wants the pilots to make it work. The employees always get hit with the burden. Had the company paid down debt, paid cash for airplanes, saved cash, maybe, just maybe, a company this size might just get through this without even blinking. YES, demand drop-off is unprecedented, 40% decline in bookings, parking 300 airplanes, uncharted territory, no downplaying, but what many have been saying on this board, Delta (and United, AA, etc) could be in even better position, sorta like Apple, cash hoard, helps in lean times. Might not be sexy for stock price, but builds a solid foundation.

Exactly. ****ing away billions on worthless stock buy backs was short sighted and unsatisfactory.

hockeypilot44 03-13-2020 05:49 PM

Can we change this thread title to "New LOA" or something else? TA is misleading.

The Localizer 03-13-2020 06:33 PM

Thanks to the company and alpa. All we can deal with is what we have in front of us today. Those who want to address stock buy backs, pensions or whatever else there is a time and place and it’s not now. An overwhelming majority of us want this company to not only survive but prosper. I would invite anyone not willing to help to be the first to take a voluntary furlough when and if they happen.
when this is all over and we can negotiate again we can go after all those things

C2078 03-13-2020 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by The Localizer (Post 2997443)
Thanks to the company and alpa. All we can deal with is what we have in front of us today. Those who want to address stock buy backs, pensions or whatever else there is a time and place and it’s not now. An overwhelming majority of us want this company to not only survive but prosper. I would invite anyone not willing to help to be the first to take a voluntary furlough when and if they happen.
when this is all over and we can negotiate again we can go after all those things

When is the time to draw a line? 1990? 1998? 2001? 2009? This is what most people don’t get, there is ALWAYS going to be a downturn/crisis. ALWAYS!! There are ALWAYS going to be jobs at jeopardy.

crewdawg 03-13-2020 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by AirbusPTC (Post 2997403)
Exactly my point, doesn't affect you much so you don't care, and belittle those that do. Again, we should have had a vote on this.

Like I said, I was very much against them rebidding this month, but is one month of lover ALV really gonna a break the bank? I've got a 50/50 shot right now at line/reserve based on my else start nexts, but it's not going to be the end of the world if it's a reduce ALV. Heck I may end up to junior to get reserve this month. Either way, in the grand scheme of things it's pretty small fries.

Iceberg 03-13-2020 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by AirbusPTC (Post 2997403)
Exactly my point, doesn't affect you much so you don't care, and belittle those that do. Again, we should have had a vote on this.

Belittle? Your hole must have a lot of lotion in the bucket on the rope. More than where I’m at anyways, skin isn’t as soft around here.

AirbusPTC 03-13-2020 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by The Localizer (Post 2997443)
An overwhelming majority of us want this company to not only survive but prosper. I would invite anyone not willing to help to be the first to take a voluntary furlough when and if they happen.
when this is all over and we can negotiate again we can go after all those things

We ALL want this company to not only survive but prosper. "I would invite anyone not willing to help to be the first to take a voluntary furlough, when and if they happen". Define willing to help? I'm willing to help, but I want a vote in what help WE as a pilot group are offering. I've been an ALPA member for almost 30 years, I will abide by the will of the pilot BUT each of us should be able to vote on what concessions might be made AND what SNAP-BACK trigger there will be. These are unusual times yet they certainly don't warrant us giving the company a blank check, we've done that before and got taken to the cleaners because of it.

AirbusPTC 03-13-2020 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 2997454)
Belittle? Your hole must have a lot of lotion in the bucket on the rope. More than where I’m at anyways, skin isn’t as soft around here.

Aren't you the clever one. Playing pretty fast and loose with the Silence of the Lambs quote. That ranks right up there with the "Butthurt is strong in this one", usually posted when someone doesn't have anything intelligent to add, yet feels the overpowering urge to post anyway.

CX500T 03-13-2020 07:03 PM

I'm not really seeing where allowing an April re-bid with lower ALVs is a blank check.

The LOA essentially making any corona related issue free sick leave and also SILs and no 5 year Mil Leave cap for the next couple months might put enough guys off payroll (or reduced payroll) that we don't have some chaotic cluusterfox displacement bid, or at least minimize furlough pain.

I'm not really seeing where we had any "give" beyond rebid April.

Lines are still 65 MIN unless you bid RLL right?
Reserve is ALV-2, min of 72?

Barring the last couple months being an anomaly for me, I'm usually at 72 or less when you factor in mil leave.


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