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BobZ 03-20-2020 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3005789)
wait, so now South Korea has no political division? I guess you don’t follow their politics closely.

which specific cultural and political priorities do the people of Korea share that our society doesn’t?



what a comically silly red herring argument. Not exactly a lot of reason to discuss pandemic response on APC before the past few months, obviously.

not sure why you think I support newsom or his policies, but here’s another red herring to avoid answering how a heterogenous population prevented early action.

Yeah.. I was following the korean russia investigation closely. And the preoccupation of their entire government and media with palace intrigue to the exclusion of every other actually important issue involving the safety and well being of our nation.

And you have no complaints about the people who are charged with actually looking out for our nations safety and preparedness wasting years doing everything but what they should.

What is clear that even after explanation you are incapable of removing the lens of racial color from your personal definitions of vocabulary.

Its no wonder you are hearing whistles.

OOfff 03-20-2020 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 3005811)

And you have no complaints about the people who are charged with actually looking out for our nations safety and preparedness wasting years doing everything but what they should.

I don’t?

What is clear that even after explanation you are incapable of removing the lens of racial color from your personal definitions of vocabulary.
what explanation? You refuse to say what specific social norms Koreans share that Americans don’t.

BobZ 03-20-2020 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3005816)
I don’t?

what explanation? You refuse to say what specific social norms Koreans share that Americans don’t.

For starters...how about these two cited by their president?

President Moon Jae-in pledged greater efforts and more funding to fight the virus in a speech as he also called on unity.

"The outbreak can threaten our lives temporarily, but it cannot break our unity and hope," he said, according to Reuters.

Is that what you are peddling here?

Unity and Hope?

OOfff 03-20-2020 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 3005823)
For starters...how about these two cited by their president?

President Moon Jae-in pledged greater efforts and more funding to fight the virus in a speech as he also called on unity.

"The outbreak can threaten our lives temporarily, but it cannot break our unity and hope," he said, according to Reuters.

Is that what you are peddling here?

Unity and Hope?

are these words that aren’t used by our leaders in the face of a crisis? Those are hardly objective descriptions exclusive to the Korean people.

so again, what specific social norms do Koreans share that we don’t *as a result of our “heterogeny”* not shared by Koreans?

They have political division, age division, etc, so what metrics of “homogeny” are you referring to?

BobZ 03-20-2020 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3005835)
are these words that aren’t used by our leaders in the face of a crisis? Those are hardly objective descriptions exclusive to the Korean people.

so again, what specific social norms do Koreans share that we don’t *as a result of our “heterogeny”* not shared by Koreans?

They have political division, age division, etc, so what metrics of “homogeny” are you referring to?

Already explained.

In korea the criticism of the gov handling spurred a petition that got around a million signatures. Thats about 2%.

I put money if you had the same petition in the US the number would be a lot closer to 50% than 2%.

98% onboard vs maybe 50% onboard.

Yeah. Id say as a nation they are far more of a like mind, belief, society and culture than the US in dealing with this pandemic.

Which is precisely what the word i used means.

SonicFlyer 03-20-2020 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 3005665)
Really? The idea that you’re certain about a trump Vs. Biden outcome this early looks silly. Biden is crushing trump in the polls and I am not even close to saying Biden is going to win “for sure”.

The polls mean nothing.

Iceberg 03-20-2020 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3005916)
The polls mean nothing.

Much like elections, amirite?!

Nostradamus has spoken, don’t bother to vote. It won’t matter as the decision has already been made. Sonic and Turbo have guaranteed the results.

You guys ever race each other?

OOfff 03-20-2020 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 3005852)
Already explained.

In korea the criticism of the gov handling spurred a petition that got around a million signatures. Thats about 2%.

I put money if you had the same petition in the US the number would be a lot closer to 50% than 2%.

98% onboard vs maybe 50% onboard.

Yeah. Id say as a nation they are far more of a like mind, belief, society and culture than the US in dealing with this pandemic.

Which is precisely what the word i used means.

where on earth has a petition in America ever gotten 50% of signatures?

at6d 03-20-2020 10:04 PM

I still don’t get it.

What should have been done which didn’t get done?

Whats the next step?

C17B74 03-21-2020 12:15 AM

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Asian sector has already been thru this before with SARS and with a huge learning curve most worked thru it far better than others. Culture has a lot to do with it having lived in and visited the other areas as many in our industry have and it’s very telling. Can’t just be reactive and try to catch up vs being proactive and locking things down early. Even if you do the lockdown early, your population must adhere to these policies and not just roam around the streets unwilling to maintain protective measures. How many elders live with their families they raised who now support them in Asia vs the exact opposite in our society. They are revered far more than within our borders. Like I said it’s a cultural tradition well beyond our own nations existence. You must have strong community response.

It’s embarrassing not looking forward to learn from the lead cars (countries) in this race. It’s rather obvious other cars have been around this track before and manage to perform very well, while others continue to bounce off the barriers getting punished and those right behind will do the same not learning a thing from those right ahead of them. It’s very unfortunate.

Containing coronavirus: lessons from Asia

THE EFFECTIVE RESPONSE IN TAIWAN AND SOUTH KOREA HAS BEEN SHAPED BY TRAUMATIC MEMORIES of SARS
“Early travel restrictions, aggressive testing and screening of contacts and strict quarantine rules have been crucial. Universal healthcare, clear management structures for the public health response and proactive communication to get the population on board have also helped. These policies have managed to contain the virus in Taiwan and Singapore and reduce or slow infection rates in South Korea, Hong Kong and Japan.” - Financial Times


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