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Turbo1 03-29-2020 01:53 PM

NFLY status re disease or immuno
 
Be advised the company is pushing back very hard against this. My doctor has advised that serious illness or death is a possibility if I were to become infected. Delta airlines has rejected my doctors strongly worded letter because of no specific end date. Who knows what an appropriate end date is? I have to go back and waste my already busy doctors time to have this remedied. Is there no end to their hatred of pilots?

Jaww 03-29-2020 02:12 PM

In all fairness, it is WITH pay. I’ll jump through a few hoops to get WITH pay. Can’t blame them too much. Without pay and I’d be upset.

Rooster435 03-29-2020 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Turbo1 (Post 3016411)
Be advised the company is pushing back very hard against this. My doctor has advised that serious illness or death is a possibility if I were to become infected. Delta airlines has rejected my doctors strongly worded letter because of no specific end date. Who knows what an appropriate end date is? I have to go back and waste my already busy doctors time to have this remedied. Is there no end to their hatred of pilots?

If it truly is life threatening then take a PLOA, I’m guessing those are getting auto approved at the moment.

or call out sick. Didn’t they waive the 100 hr look back requirement?

Turbo1 03-29-2020 02:16 PM

Don't need to do a PLOA. This is a negotiated deal between the union and the company and it has turned into a war

Turbo1 03-29-2020 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3016428)
In all fairness, it is WITH pay. I’ll jump through a few hoops to get WITH pay. Can’t blame them too much. Without pay and I’d be upset.

says the guy who probably voted for sick leave verification…

Rooster435 03-29-2020 02:25 PM

Here is what I read in the LOA:
  • Any pilot who is diagnosed with COVID-19
  • A pilot who is required to quarantine by any official agency
  • A pilot who self-quarantines as a result of known exposure with a member of their immediate household who is or has subsequently been diagnosed with COVID

With all due respect a note from your Dr saying you might die or get seriously sick doesn’t seem like it fits into any of those three. That literally could apply to any human on the planet.

I really hope you get what you are asking for but I wouldn’t describe your situation as a war on pilots.

gopher3 03-29-2020 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Turbo1 (Post 3016434)
Don't need to do a PLOA. This is a negotiated deal between the union and the company and it has turned into a war

Not sure if this is true or not, but check your time card if you call out sick. Heard some time cards only showing paying block time and not credit time on a sick call trip. In other words no pay for dead heads or other credit. So if you have a 3 day that you would have flown only 4 hours Block but the rest is credit.,,.you get paid 4 hrs sick leave and not the usual 15.45. I can’t confirm if this is true or just a rumor. Perhaps it’s scheduling not caught up on the pay thing with all the sick calls.

Turbo1 03-29-2020 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3016442)
Here is what I read in the LOA:
  • Any pilot who is diagnosed with COVID-19
  • A pilot who is required to quarantine by any official agency
  • A pilot who self-quarantines as a result of known exposure with a member of their immediate household who is or has subsequently been diagnosed with COVID

With all due respect a note from your Dr saying you might die or get seriously sick doesn’t seem like it fits into any of those three. That literally could apply to any human on the planet.

I really hope you get what you are asking for but I wouldn’t describe your situation as a war on pilots.

bullet point number two… A pilot who is directed by a healthcare professional to quarantine…. You are missing the first part of the LOA That is my situation. This is a big deal for people on certain medications… normal circumstances, no problem.

Turbo1 03-29-2020 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by gopher3 (Post 3016443)
Not sure if this is true or not, but check your time card if you call out sick. Heard some time cards only showing paying block time and not credit time on a sick call trip. In other words no pay for dead heads or other credit. So if you have a 3 day that you would have flown only 4 hours Block but the rest is credit.,,.you get paid 4 hrs sick leave and not the usual 15.45. I can’t confirm if this is true or just a rumor. Perhaps it’s scheduling not caught up on the pay thing with all the sick calls.

Will do, thank you

Rooster435 03-29-2020 02:42 PM

Here is what the ALPA FAQ says:Q: Does the new LOA provide pay protection for pilots who are non-symptomatic but subject to a government-mandated quarantine?

A: Yes. Under the LOA #20-01 – COVID-19, all pilots subject to a medical or government-mandated quarantine will be pay protected without having to use their sick time.

So I’m guessing your Dr is telling you to self quarantine? If so, I can see how that would fit the definition but I would think it would have to be mandated (can they even do that?) and come with some sort of end date. And obviously you would have to do a no kidding quarantine.


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