May Bid
 

Opens tonight yes? Seems odd they’ve not posted any bid packages yet.

Same thing happened last month. I wouldn't exactly call it unexpected.

Well, there's also that pesky little pandemic currently in progress. With things changing minute by minute, I don't expect them to post it until the absolute last minute (or later).

You are right. I meant to bleed more sarcasm in there but my waffles were ready! Priorities!!

so when they fail to open the bids on time, at what point is it a violation of the contract, and how long until they ask for relief for the May bid? What do we ask for in this LOA, maybe some furlough protections? 65 hr SIL?

I'm not sure what the process is. I guess we just add it to our growing list of grievances, or see if we can come up with a new LOA like you suggested.

I honestly can't remember, did they not open up by 1800E on the 4th last month?

How far we've come...I remember the faux outrage last year when the bid packets weren't posted THE DAY PRIOR :D.

They did get the orginal Apr bids out before 1800 on the 4th.

The trips are loaded into crew open time. You can get a preview there.

The trips are in open time now

Some are posted now, SEA 7ER is only two pages worth of trips. Ouch.

The bid packages are on Deltanet. Not many trips.

So, are they ready to reconsider their ridiculous position on SILs now?

I would like to think so, but I doubt it. They want ALV gives from us. Reference EB's latest email about how we are burning 60 million/day. The management team has a brilliant messaging group - it's what made us the most profitable. They are turning that team on us now. Question is will we crumble? IDK. SILs are just common sense. Their reaction to them is telling in many ways. We'll see how this sorts out.

Yea at 0 hours a month :eek:, I’ll take my 72 and do nothing until they come to their senses!

Wow. That is a bid packet for a much, MUCH smaller airline.

Speaking for SLC, with that level of service, it doesn't even make sense to have a base here.

Wonder if this place makes it through June? I know CARES says Oct 1 before furlough and BK ain't "allowed", but if the money is gone, it's gone.

Fun times.

Wow. The 330 has one page of flying in SEA. Never thought of this before, 330 ALV is 81:18 and reserve guarantee is 79:18. Must be due to long leg lengths. Paying 100% of the 330 reserve guys at 79:18? Yeah, SILs didn't make any financial sense, for us....

why in the world would ALVs be that high??!

I see the optimizer was building the trips again. 3 leg days, almost 8 hrs of block and some with 5 hr sits! I guess they figure if they make it painful enough, maybe some of us will give up and take a PLOA. Might have to try for reserve next month....

bingo. Atl 320 pairings are mostly 1 and 2 day trips. 0 trips longer than 3 days. Making it hurt for commuters to push them to a p/kloa.

The A's are - the B ALV is 77:30... but still high for the low flying I expected.

I would support permanent leaves of absence for senior pilots (and the number guarantees to be offered AND awarded if bid to determined by how many are required for $X amount of savings) as a prerequisite to DISCUSSING SILs or other cost saving measures. Make the company buy some goodwill with a legitimate act of long-term savings.

Probably to comply with the TLV requirements if I were guessing.

There are NO 4 or 5 day trips for the 88. So much for those being more efficient/cost effective for the company.

No extra x day for ATL 717A. I guess that’s where the flying is going.

‘Because they have been really low thru winter. I’m guessing it needs to be higher to get in the TLV for the year. I’m sure they planned this months ago and now it’s biting them in the ***...

Denny

Notice as well what the RLL number is for May versus a normal month. NYC73N it’s usually 140+, this month it’s 51 for CA and 42 for FO.

how do RLL bids affect ALV and TLV? Seems they should be offering more not less, but guess that depends on the answer to my question.

And when I add up the total number of man days for NYC73, it adds up to 349, which is 25 and a half pilots flying 5:15/day until they hit 72:00. SILs make absolutely no sense because you’d only be able to award 100-140+ for each seat and still have reserves stacked like cordwood, and would have saved 24% of payroll on this with SILs (probably more as it goes senior and the lower seniority/longevity pilots end up with lines). In.Sane.

Pull up any bid package off the crew resources page and scroll down about 4-5 pages it has every category listed.

some perspective is in order here, though... May is projected to be the lowest point in the dip before coming back up.

Going out on a limb here but it might have something to do with cutting the flying dramatically and the cost of paying for long trips when they cancel.

What dip are we talking about? Do you mean the peak of the infection case wave?

Or GDP?

Or unemployment?

Shorter trips reduce exposure to situations where guys become symptomatic while on the trip.

In such cases air travel is not permitted, they’d have to call in sick and stay in the hotel or hospital where they are to recover. Delta would have to pay for the hotel, dh replacement, etc - all sorts of cash bleeding.

If the trips are short prior to signing and after the release you are on your own .. commuter or not.

Whenever the nadir is for flying demand, even if people want to fly, how are we going to spool flying back up for mid-June (as a hypothetical) when the bid pack at the beginning of May has 75% of pilots on reserve and bookings don’t pick up until after June schedules are published?

is it just me or does every single NYC 320 trip go from NYC, to MIA, FLL, MCO, MSY,DTW and/or layover in one of these spots?!I mean virtually EVERY single corona virus hotspot in the entire U.S. Sounds like a GREAT idea....

Sad that it has to be explained.

Uh dude every hot spot is a big city. Where else you going to go??

KLOA paging viperdriver...

Be smart, wipe things down , wash hands and don’t touch your face. Whether in a hot spot or not.

oh I don't know, but places like Roanoke Va, Louisville, Oklahoma city, or I don't know 10000 other places that don't have 100,000 corona viruses in them. Building schedules that layover in unconventional cities for example, rather than laying over in the hot spot cities might be a novel approach to reducing our exposure in the most virulent cities in America. Just a little creative thought process.