SILs and early retirement are nearly equal in savings to 20% less ALV. Why do you keep pushing for lower ALV? It is a management proposition being pushed.[/QUOTE]

Can you provide some data to back that up? I can’t see where they can be even remotely close. The latest CR news letter has some good information.

The source is Negotiator's Notepad 20-03 - State of the Union

Can you provide some data to back that up? I can’t see where they can be even remotely close. The latest CR news letter has some good information.[/QUOTE]

It seems you only use company provided information. The union put out an email with a graph showing the approximate return of each.

It seems you only use company provided information. The union put out an email with a graph showing the approximate return of each.[/QUOTE]

I read it. Go back and read the details. The savings are dealing with the two month period coming up and how we meet the companies goals. Note however that they admit they applied savings from a ER program that would accumulate through the end 2020. They also toss in the APR rebid. Other than that they provide no real numbers. A 20 hour a month reduction spread across at most probably 3000 pilots verses a 16 hour a month reduction spread across 14,000 pilots seems pretty simple math to me.

It seems you only use company provided information. The union put out an email with a graph showing the approximate return of each.[/QUOTE]


It seems you want to blindly believe ALPA numbers. Let’s all be cynical and run our own “hypothetical” numbers. Prolly beats “blindly”believing either side.

JMHO

Hey MD88, Buck and Sailing... fix your quotes!

Both proposals count the April rebid. The company asked for two months of ALV relief hence the comparison. An ER program could run until 2023 but they only counted 2020. Should we only count May and June early retirements? The comparison seemed fair to me. That is unless you think we should extend our reduced ALV to when? The end of the year? Then yes, the company would save more. There are no specific numbers because those are confidential ... as you know. But they did present some general numbers like the April rebid being worth at least $50M.

It seems you want to blindly believe ALPA numbers. Let’s all be cynical and run our own “hypothetical” numbers. Prolly beats “blindly”believing either side.

JMHO[/QUOTE]

Trust me I don’t blindly follow anyone or any group. I would like to know how much a cash strapped company like Delta is spending in a discretionary leave program for all other employee groups that self identify as high risk. I don’t begrudge any group getting such a program but that is not a move that a company asking for concessions makes.

Trust me I don’t blindly follow anyone or any group. I would like to know how much a cash strapped company like Delta is spending in a discretionary leave program for all other employee groups that self identify as high risk. I don’t begrudge any group getting such a program but that is not a move that a company asking for concessions makes.[/QUOTE]


Sorry, I thought we we discussing ALV vs SIL vs ER? That what I suggested running numbers on.

Really. It ain't that hard.