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gloopy 04-11-2020 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3029876)
I too hate it when human rights get in the way. I thought we were gonna MAGA that away?

Oh no, not even close. Since everything is a human right and we're nothng but citizens of the world in a global democracy, the entire planet will get to take whatever it wants. The only thing we ask for in return is fealty to our leaders.

Always remember, real socialism/communism has never been tried, and the only thing wrong with the previous attempts were the lack of sufficient power, authority and control. Now that we've reached the golden age of peace prosperity and safety, there is no longer any downside.

notEnuf 04-12-2020 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Viking busdvr (Post 3029105)
So change the law... Quit dumping it in the lap of “that darn capitalism!”

If you’ve got a better system than capitalism let’s hear it! And provide concrete examples of where it’s worked.....

Rome, but slaves...

We are 244 years into the democratic capitalistic experiment. How it going currently? It's all I know so I hope it's the best system but others have been wrong before. The principles are right in my opinion, freedom, justice, and equality.

OOfff 04-12-2020 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Viking busdvr (Post 3029105)
So change the law... Quit dumping it in the lap of “that darn capitalism!”

If you’ve got a better system than capitalism let’s hear it! And provide concrete examples of where it’s worked.....

Any time people try to change the law to prevent capitalist overreach and exploitation, the right mindlessly screams at the top of its lungs about “muh free market!!!” and “but but but regulation is bad” and “socialism!!!!”

it’s kinda hard to change the laws to prevent this when half the country is bootlicking, temporarily embarrassed billionaires.

Funk 04-12-2020 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3030366)
Any time people try to change the law to prevent capitalist overreach and exploitation, the right mindlessly screams at the top of its lungs about “muh free market!!!” and “but but but regulation is bad” and “socialism!!!!”

it’s kinda hard to change the laws to prevent this when half the country is bootlicking, temporarily embarrassed billionaires.

Weird how you immediately returned to your ideological priors. Last time you claimed it was Reagan and his ilk that changed the law and did this to us, but both houses of Congress were controlled by the Democratic Party, so either Reagan had a magical touch during his final two years (hardly the case because this is the Iran-contra period), or Democrats also had a hand in the rule change (one might say the majority hand since they controlled both houses of Congress).

You might do well to do real research and analysis rather than casting aspersions of those you don’t like politically.

OOfff 04-12-2020 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Funk (Post 3030376)
Weird how you immediately returned to your ideological priors. Last time you claimed it was Reagan and his ilk that changed the law and did this to us, but both houses of Congress were controlled by the Democratic Party, so either Reagan had a magical touch during his final two years (hardly the case because this is the Iran-contra period), or Democrats also had a hand in the rule change (one might say the majority hand since they controlled both houses of Congress).

You might do well to do real research and analysis rather than casting aspersions of those you don’t like politically.

I’m not sure I ever claimed I supported the Democratic Party in any way, but I’ll leave that to you. If you want to pretend that the entirety of reaganomics was a Democratic Party construct, that also is your right.

AnchorDown 04-12-2020 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by deltabound (Post 3029080)
(as airlines are mentioned specifically, by name in this article, and airline CEO's are adamant that they will not accept loans with "no stockbuyback" clauses, this timely)The S.E.C. Rule That Destroyed the Universe

Anyone who wants to grok the genesis of the absolute evil that are "stock buybacks" needs to read the Rolling Stones article about the CFR Rule 10b-18 that changed everything way back in 1982. Prior to this rule change, a company repurchasing its own stocks in quantity was generally regarded as outright illegal stock price manipulation. With executives subject to jail time if they got caught. Previous to this rule, profits were mostly returned to shareholders via dividends or reinvested into the business.

From the article "Board members chosen by shareholders could raid their own companies assets to buy stock and goose share prices... Employees, customers, and society were suddenly in direct competition for resources with executives and shareholders. Should a company invest in a new factory, or should it just deliver instant millions to shareholders and executives paid in options?"

If you want to understand why trillions in profits for decades have been dumped into executive compensation and giant hedge fund stock holders, look no further. It's immoral, anti-capitalist, highly destructive, but thankfully, fixable. And now might be the time.

Well said, wrote my Congressman about it. Thx

torbai 04-13-2020 04:50 AM

For those of you that want to make sure the Democrats share the blame along with Reagan and the Republicans for CFR Rule 10b-18, please bear this in mind: NO LEGISLATION was involved. It is an SEC REGULATION. Since this administration has been so keen on striking down regulations, here is a great candidate for deletion.


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