Moad 2020
 

So is this the week the music stops? Post it 1730 Friday, take the phone off the hook, turn out the lights, mic drop?

or I guess maybe this is when the music starts and we get to see how many chairs are available?

Anyway, figure this should be a good week for displacement rumors and we needed a spot to put them! And someone will need a place for ‘that’ post.....

Which I actually find funnier every time he does it. 😁

There should be a thread where we discuss the merit of capitalizing acronyms. ;-)

Ok, I’ll bite: 3000 net displacements.

I typed it that way, then just went back and edited it that way, but something in the site keeps changing it back!

Somewhere between 1-14,700 displacements

I’m a bit more bullish on furloughs...0-14,700

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I'm thinking if you look at current 717 staffing over all bases, and see how many "Excess" there is on the 717, that's probably their target furlough.

Bonus: If 717 is gone, look for excess in the next lowest paying category/band.

I predict there will be some displacements...greater than 0 and less than 14,700. Setup a robust displacement bid (mine is 5 pages long) and forget about it for a few weeks.

Am I the only one who hopes the bid keeps getting delayed? I know there are merits for both outcomes but a day is a day.

I think the company will show a huge number of surplus pilots in order to get bigger concessions. It's easy in October to say we overestimated, and don't actually need to furlough as many as previously planned.

Im with you. I’d be happy if they delayed it u til aug/sept.

I really hope that the numbers on a displacement bid are not enough to scare the pilot group to cower in the corner. I mean we can already see that UAL dialed their numbers back and AALs isn't nearly as bad. I'd expect us to be somewhere in between.

I hear a lot of 88 pilots are going to the 717 too..Should be a huge surplus on it after this displacement bid.

My displacement WAG:
100% of MD88/90 pilots
15% of ER (mostly on the FO side)
ATL717B will carry pre-furlough excess

BONUS WAG: August - partial cancellation announcement and AE - cash bleeding has stopped and forward looking numbers justify slowly unpausing planned NB deliveries. NYC220B is the big growth category, with more senior 717Bs escaping NYC (and the rest of the system) for systemwide vacancies to support 321NEO deliveries. More junior MDs to 717 have no seat lock, but lack seniority to escape the TYS overnights stacked between 4 leg days shuttling between hubs and everywhere they hope not to layover.

I'd expect us to be far better and more optimistic than both of those examples. How could that not be the case? Greatest team ever assembled and we're in the best position because of it. Right? If not, why not?

Delta Air Lines today announced plans to purchase 40 Airbus ATR72-1000 aircraft for delivery between 2021 and 2022. The order, which comprises 10 interstate "widebody" ATR aircraft and 30 large narrowbody turboprop, is the latest step in Delta's prudent fleet renewal to enhance profitability while diligently managing capacity.

"This ATR agreement is another opportunistic fleet transaction for Delta in which we acquire economically efficient, proven-technology aircraft," said Richard Anderson, Delta's next chief executive officer emeritus. "These ATR will provide tremendous flexibility for Delta to optimally manage our capacity over the next five years while further improving the flight experience for our customers and returns for our shareholders."Reprising his role as the President the Board forgot to tell, when reached for comment Jim Whitehurst stated, "what do mean no 787's? We're merging?"

"Disciplined capital deployment is a cornerstone of Delta's comprehensive financial plan," said Paul Jacobson, Delta's chief financial officer. "These Airbus aircraft will generate free cash flow and improve our return on invested capital from the time they enter service." The aircraft will be equipped with 76 seats and a child seat.

Airbus ATR-1000

The A220 demonstrated the potential of geared turbofan technology. So we thought, why not remove the cowling, and make the fan a variable pitch? This innovation reduced fuel burns by 60% while resulting in only marginally slower cruise speeds.

Plastic is an environmental problem for our entire planet. By recycling grocery bags, garbage bags, baby diapers and straws into major structural components, we have made the ATR72-1000 the first airplane which cleans the planet.

Delta will be the first airline to operate the enhanced 24.2-metric ton ATR, which offers additional payload capacity and range. Delta will use the aircraft's versatility to optimize its intra-state networks in coastal areas, over flat terrain, basically, any airport which allows for a single-engine missed approach to be conducted over gently declining terrain.

The pilots of Delta Air Lines are represented by the Air Line Pilots Association. When reached for comment the Air Line Pilots Association commented "since this has the optional child seat, making it a 77 seater, it will be flown by mainline pilots." Council 20's Chairman insisted in releasing separate commentary stating "It will be flown by mainline pilots, since it has 77 seats, one of which is the optional child's seat" He then prattled several quotes from the decades-old movie Princess Bride.

Overall, Delta's people seem very happy with the announcement.

https://news.delta.com/sites/default...?itok=FXVO4AyN
VIDEO

They stash a bunch of FO’s on the 220. Those categories get slaughtered in any furlough scenario.

Is there a way to put more than 12 preferences in the Mandatory displacement bid? I need more than 12 spots but can’t figure out how.

"Delta will use the aircraft's versatility to optimize its intra-state networks in coastal areas, over flat terrain, basically, any airport which allows for a single-engine missed approach to be conducted over gently declining terrain."

Now that's funny...I don't care who you are! Except for my PTSD...

yes, just hit ok on the page and it will load up more slots.

Don't forget the 45 minute hub turns with an aircraft change.

I think we’ll see all ERs retired almost immediately. With the now under utilized 330, we just don’t need the ER lift. Boutique European destinations won’t be served for a couple of years, buying us time to rebuild international lift with a variety of Airbus products. 717s and 757s will see an accelerated sunset. The wild card is the 777, getting the ax if management enacts very deep cuts.

Well keep the 320s and 737-800s, with maybe tail-specific retirements.

I almost think they’ll have to open more 220 bases, just to carry the displacements. Cant have everyone sitting reserve in NYC! Ha!

I also think we’ll see the aircraft deliveries turned back on (220s, 321s, 330s) now that mgmt has had time to observe the landscape and figure out a plan. Will the 350s get turned back on, tho?

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Yes, wait...no....maybe...IDK.


Like was said, just hit OK 2x and you'll get another full screen. I have 40+...a bit much but I have LOTS of % bids within my own base.

This may be the best APC post ever.

But how are we going to serve JNB and SYD? <---- sarcasm.

I can't see us keeping a fleet for 2 markets.

I see you started your backup job as a freelance writer for The Onion. Well Done.

I'm afraid the company will see this as a "challenge accepted!" moment.

Honest question. Who is talking about giving any concessions?

I think 3GREEN is assuming the company will ask for concessions. he/she didn't mention pilots giving any concessions.

Must be the sit-down comedian

Yes this is what i meant..A lot of junior guys work for ALPA as reps, so let's see what they try to push.

I think its highly likely the company will ask. Ironically the more they try to "shock and awe" us with displacement based angst, the less it will work, especially after AA's much more moderated approach so far. Plus we've already offered 7-8 figure savings they turned down for "optics" and their primary directive seems to be turning down 4-5B in below market welfare loans out of concerns for relatively mild stock dilution. Its almost as if "liquidation before the dishonor of a FA union" was some corporate Bushido Code and DL is the Last Samurai.

This made me laugh so hard my malt liquor came out of my nose.

Im sure 44 is ready.

My favorite headline:

3 alarm fire at wax museum surprisingly yields hundreds of new Danny DeVito statues!

Onion fan for life, I’ve always thought these were my top 3:

”Heroic Pitbull Journeys 2000 Miles to Attack Owner”

”War on String May Be Unwinnable, Says Cat General”

”Scientific Study: Are ‘Members Only’ Jackets Being Worn by Non-Members?”

I’m in c44 and can’t wait! I love flying. I’ll work for free. Don’t be a jackass.

oh please. We all know 44 are the surrender monkeys. Always have been.

go back to chit chat. Maybe this helps you feel better, none of this helps anyone else.

go back to Skyhub

Are you sure you guys don't want to tell us about how cool you are with your battle star or how you used to have a gentlemanly relationship with management? Maybe you can tell us more about how airline X did it so much better than airline Y...I can't wait to hear that conversation for the one thousandth time. :rolleyes:

When Jenna Bush (the former pres’s daughter) turned 18 the Onion’s headline -

“Jenna Bush’s Federally Protected Private Wetlands Now Open for Public Drilling”.


I still laugh every time I think about it.