Yes, not Delta, but still a well loved airline.

Ok. Thanks. I was just curious.

Denny

It is pretty doom and gloom, but accurate based on the information we are getting from the company.

I’ve watched the videos. Read the memos. Listened to Bob Smelzer try and explain the process. Read between the lines.

It’s been apparent to me for at least a week that they are putting 2500 in the UNA category. No secret there. The only question is if all 2500 are let go at once or if a big group is let go and the rest will be released in inverse seniority as their seat is retrained. I’d expect 1000 or more on 10/1. Then 30-50 a month after that.

It’ll give the company time to retrain and pause, stop or reverse as needed. Bottom line and a lesson I learned post 9/11... don’t wait guys. If you are in that group find something now. Take it. Get the leave from Delta and go before the music stops. US airline wide the music stops on 10/1. It’ll be too late then to easily find a job that will be filed by a pilot.

Unless you have a specialty like engineering and have time doing that trade, no one out there cares that you were an Airbus pilot. Our flying skills do not parlay into corporate America. I’m not trying to be a jerk. It’s the truth. I was NWA. I was furloughed over 5 years. I learned that if that were to ever happen to me again I’d find something quick and jump on it before there are thousands of you trying to do the same thing.

Mil guys... go back in AD. Full time. When you are recalled you and your number will transition to mil leave and your job will be waiting for you when you are done with orders or retire.

Hope it doesn’t last long fellas.

Tail...

Jump on something quick? Like what? I don't know if you are keepin' up with current events Tail, but the US economy is a ****show right now and won't be getting better. I read somewhere that there could be up to 10K pilots from the airlines hitting the streets come 10/1/2020 and that's not counting regional. Add to that the ~40 million unemployed right now - not a good market to be getting dumped into.

The C44 doom and gloom note was a BS move IMHO. Doesn't surprise me coming from surrender central - but I digress. That little disaster of a note was one to let sit overnight before hitting transmit. Pretty sure our pilots know the score and didn't need a LEC to remind them.

I would add that just because you were hired before 1 Dec 2016, you are not safe either. We have a long, ugly financial road ahead for this country. We ALL need to be working plans A,B and C.

The nonpartisan CBO has projected Q3 growth of 23%. This is a staggering number.

Just passing information.

Where does that put us relative to pre-COVID? Still down or close to even?

Saw this on one of the widget book face pages:1) Conversion to UNA is based on the conversion date of senior plot, not "assigned training" that was mentioned in the AE Memo from BS.

2) Conversions will be done en-masse within the category as soon as a single senior pilot converts in.....it is not a 1:1 ratio of one senior pilot in the top = 1 junior pilot to UNA out the bottom.

Phins....your post just doesn't make sense. You fault the council 44 communique, but then say nobody prior to 2016 is safe. There have been hundreds if not 1000s of posts on APC trying to parse unknowable numbers. But you also say, "pretty sure pilots know the score"

Dude....come on! A little common sense.

The nonpartisan CBO projects a 39.6% drop in the 2d Qtr.

unfortunately, using percentages, after a 40% drop, you’ll need a 70% gain to get back to even at previous levels.

good news nevertheless. Just not all rainbows and unicorns.