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Razor 05-26-2020 03:30 PM

Mou 20-02
 
Looks like a big improvement going forward. Although I think in this day of displacement anxiety, reality a TLDR would've been more appropriate than starting with a history of fatigue reporting. From the MOU
  • A pilot may now refuse to extend an FDP beyond the scheduled FAR limits with no requirement to submit an FFDR, and will receive full rotation guarantee.
    • This new provision returns to the former practice at Delta and aligns not only with industry standards, but the original intent of FAR 117 – in that both the operator and pilot must agree to extend a pilot's FDP beyond FAR limits.
    • Paperwork and pay are no longer a consideration when determining one's fitness for an FDP extension.
  • Pay will no longer be removed as part of the FRB determination:
    • All fatigue events that occur after a pilot reports for their rotation will be paid by the Company and will not be subject to FRB review for pay determination.
    • If a pilot is unfit for duty prior to reporting for a rotation due to fatigue, the FRB will review circumstances which led to the pilot's fatigue and make a determination if the operation contributed to the fatigue event:
      • If the FRB determines that operational factors contributed to the pilot's fatigue, the Company will pay-protect the pilot.
      • If the FRB determines that the operation was not a factor in the pilot's fatigue, the pilot's sick bank will be debited for the block time missed due to the fatigue event -- instead of the current practice in which the pilot loses pay. This sick time will be excluded for the purposes of PWA Section 14 F. 2.and Section 14 F. 3. (sick leave verification and lookback).

NavyFlyer 05-26-2020 04:19 PM

I think this is a huge win. I like the new language. Good job, MEC.


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Jaww 05-26-2020 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by NavyFlyer (Post 3064622)
I think this is a huge win. I like the new language. Good job, MEC.


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Good job MEC, definitely. Huge win it is not. Way to be industry standard. This is like when Delta approved maternity leave a few years ago and it was celebrated. Should never have had to be negotiated.

GogglesPisano 05-26-2020 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3064625)
Good job MEC, definitely. Huge win it is not. Way to be industry standard. This is like when Delta approved maternity leave a few years ago and it was celebrated. Should never have had to be negotiated.

And having to positively affirm an extension at the time it becomes apparent that an extension is necessary (like every other airline -- and as stated in a legal interpretation) rather than just have an assumption of extension based on signing the FDRA hours earlier.

Baby steps.

Tailhookah 05-26-2020 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3064625)
Good job MEC, definitely. Huge win it is not. Way to be industry standard. This is like when Delta approved maternity leave a few years ago and it was celebrated. Should never have had to be negotiated.


Agree. We are now standard. Yay for mediocrity. Still waiting for current MEC to wow me.

notEnuf 05-26-2020 05:05 PM

1 more example of Delta family values. And people wonder why we want a hard line negotiation position and an MEC that confronts everything. Every time Delta Is on the wrong side of something it takes years to negotiate and then we celebrate a win. SMH

Glad this is done but what was really regulation all along, we finally have. Yeah us, yeah Delta, yeah family, yeah negotiating committee, yeah everybody.:rolleyes:

gzsg 05-26-2020 07:43 PM

Huge improvement and a lot of hard work.

Thanks to all.

Ualhvyjet 05-27-2020 04:39 AM

Glad to see this come to Delta finally. Now go get the add pay to extend, 2.5hrs pay for first 30 min and then 5 hrs for the next 1:30hr. Unfortunately I think that will be untenable until Contract 2028 I guess.

smellson 05-27-2020 04:43 AM


Originally Posted by Ualhvyjet (Post 3064846)
Glad to see this come to Delta finally. Now go get the add pay to extend, 2.5hrs pay for first 30 min and then 5 hrs for the next 1:30hr. Unfortunately I think that will be untenable until Contract 2028 I guess.

United had "extend pay"....the union fought it and got it removed. Didn't want people incentivized to extend.....

Jaww 05-27-2020 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by smellson (Post 3064850)
United had "extend pay"....the union fought it and got it removed. Didn't want people incentivized to extend.....

I actually totally agree with this. As stupid as our sick leave contest at the end of the year.


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